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A Playtest Network movie
in association with Running With Scissors

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In 1997, Postal made
his appearance in front of a

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media crisis regarding
its extreme violence.

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It's one of the franchises
the most forbidden,

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blacklisted and criticized.

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This is the story of the video game series
the most controversial of all time.

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Go down to the basement.

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It seems that there was
a snowstorm here.

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There is so much dust.

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-Be careful of this wall
-It crumbles at the slightest breath.

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I really like your microwave
on the stairs, it’s secure…

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-It's disgusting.
-I haven't been here for a long time.

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Ah, the Postal collection.

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Look at this.

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Gorgeous! This makes
I've been looking for this for years.

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And yet, there it was, just
under your feet, from the beginning.

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Oh, here's one of them
real posters,

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that of the DVD cover.

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We also have our own posters
here, the ones we created.

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Stunning ! Gary,
is no longer with us.

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Neither does Vern.

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Little people shouldn't
working with "Running With Scissors"

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If I were a dwarf, I don't know
not if I would want to work with us…

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Here we go.

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And there you have it.

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Oh my God ! It's a real
dust nest in there.

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It's good.

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How is it going?
Ah, now this...

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This is what we call a pair of
balls. (Laughs from the team.)

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Hello everyone, I'm Vince Desi
from “Running With Scissors.”

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And it's time to
take action. Enter.

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A new video game has appeared on
the market and it disrupts the postal workers.

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His name is Postal, and the aim of the game
is not to deliver mail.

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'Going Postal'
means shooting everyone.

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The creator of the game says
that it's just for fun.

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But that's no laughing matter
the United States Postmaster General.

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He wrote a letter to the creators
game in Arizona to tell them that

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'Going Postal' is a representation
unfair to postal employees

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and there's nothing funny about it.

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Until someone puts syphilis
boxed and tries to sell it,

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Postal 2 is the worst product
never offered to consumers.

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You read this guy's review.

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He probably didn't
didn't even play the game.

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There was a video game
which was called Postal.

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In this game, we were content to
running around shooting people.

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Breast cancer and tumors
brains are nothing funny.

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We don't do
games on these subjects,

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and we shouldn't make games about
people who are murdered for no reason.

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This is a fun product.

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It's full of humor, adult humor.

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There are real holes
supposed to be bullet holes...

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We are unfairly criticized.

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And the whole industry
turned against us

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because she needed
of a scapegoat.

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What if, by some miracle, a kid absorbed this

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and decided to imitate
the game in real life?

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Well, a game is a game.

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This absolutely has no
nothing to do with reality.

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There is something in the
being able to take your friend and

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to blow his head off.
This is a real mess.

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After a stressful day at work,
there's nothing like it to let off steam.

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"Dozens of studies
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represent a threat
for public health."

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"Ten years ago to the day,
almost to the hour,

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an armed man entered
into Dawson College and opened fire."

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And now, an audience
on violence in video games

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and its impact on young people.

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Senators Joseph Lieberman
and Herbert Cole conducted the session.

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Violence and images
violent invade

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increasingly our daily lives.
It's time to set boundaries.

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We must end the glorification
violence in our society.

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This includes macabre video games
which are commonplace today.

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Okay, that's it, you've been
a little too dark in your game.

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And you accidentally
does something that people

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think they inspired the
school shootings. Of course.

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If I had something to say, I
would tell the city, state or Congress

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to eliminate these violent games, because they
cause problems for our children.

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There's a new game in town
which annoys the postmen a little

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Americans, their bosses,
their friends and families.

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We sort of accept being
the least well off in the industry.

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I know a lot of people would like
really that we disappear,

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but that will never happen.

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Something is happening
thing with our children.

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Is it the fact that the average child
who watches television has seen

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16,000 murders
on television before turning 18?

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Postal was breaking the mold, that’s for sure.

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Others tried to do it, but
Postal took it to its climax.

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The expression 'Going Postal'
hurts our hearts.

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It's a real
insult to us.

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We wanted to make a game where we could
play non-stop and shoot, shoot, shoot.

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I think it's
quite extraordinary.

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This is the best film based
about a video game never made.

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Oh my god, this movie really sucks.

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What do you have
done at my Postal game?

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I don't know what it is
your fucking problem.

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Go Postal!

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Can we blame the movies, the
violent music and video games

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to explain why some
children kill? Joining us at

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new from Little Rock,
Arkansas, Governor Mike Huckabee.

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Thank you very much for participating
at Going Postal, and see you soon in September.

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It has nothing to do
with the post office,

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I don't understand
why would they call it that.

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It's 'Going Postal'.

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Going Postal “The Foretold Legacy”

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The name of the game is insulting
for its employees.

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The creator of the game says that
it's just for fun,

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and that the expression 'Going Postal' makes
now part of modern language.'

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Prologue
The beginning of a new era

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My full name is
Vincent James Desiderio Jr.

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I'm known as Vince
Desi in the video game industry.

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I am the CEO
and founder of “Running With Scissors”.

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I was born in 1953 at the Hospital of
Brooklyn, in Brooklyn, New York.

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I grew up in Brooklyn,

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in a neighborhood called
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also known as Bed-Stuy.

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My mother was probably
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as well as my father.

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My father worked very hard.

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You know, one of the greatest pleasures
of my youth was Saturday morning.

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He was preparing breakfast,
pepperoni with eggs,

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because he worked hard from Monday
to Friday, often by doing

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overtime
to earn a little more money.

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My father instilled in me the spirit
hard work… And my mother

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taught me the "fuck off" attitude
fuck, I don't care, no bullshit",

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because my mother did not accept
Nobody's annoyance.

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As a youth, I was a child
of the typical New York street.

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My first real income came
when I was about three years old,

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painting shells
of Coney Island clams.

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We had a group
at the time, called the "Rods".

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The "rods" were four of us,

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and our obsession
The main one was women.

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As a teenager, it was a time
very different from today.

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Today you can have
sex all day.

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In my time, arrive
to caress a girl,

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for example, it was
a real accomplishment.

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Then we returned to
the house and we masturbated.

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We were among the first to wear

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suit jackets with our jeans.

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And my mother asked me: 'Where are you going with
that suit jacket and those jeans?'

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I answered her: 'Mom,
we are trendsetters.'

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I have always been a thinker
creative, a kind of artist.

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And I got involved in this
called the "disco business",

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following parties that I organized.

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People told me:
“Oh my God, you should do this!”

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So, I made a move
wire to someone, another club.

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I contacted a friend and told him:
“Look, this guy wants to have lunch with me.

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You have to go tomorrow, have lunch with him.

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You could be me.

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And then I will take charge
of the business part."

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We did this for a year.

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He used my name
and I his, initially.

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It started
for my 25th birthday

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and ended for
my 26th birthday.

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It was an awesome experience
during the disco era, from 78 to 79.

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Should I say something
thing about drugs?

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Vince: Say what you want.

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I was very surprised.

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When he started
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when we lived in New
York, he threw parties in Manhattan.

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This is where he started
to express their creativity.

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It was mainly him, probably,
he never really grew up.

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We don't want to grow old and we
We all have this desire deep within us.

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He lets it all out.

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It's him.

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After leaving the world of disco…

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I was living in Manhattan at the time.
I respond to an ad in

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the New York Times, on the front page
full page of the employment section,

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which is quite comical and I
will never forget it. The ad said:

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"Earn a lot of money
with $50,000."

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I said to myself, this is for me.
I make a phone call and

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immediately I realize that
I am interviewed by telephone.

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They make an appointment for me
for the next day.

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I'm going to the appointment.

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I thought: this is going very well!

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And it turns out that it is to become
headhunter. A headhunter,

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it is essentially someone who
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not secretarial work.

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But at the time, it was in the industry
information technology,

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or what we called at the time the
Management Information Systems (MIS).

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Anyway, I thought I had
well done. Tuesday comes, No call.

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Wednesday is coming,
and still no call.

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I say to myself: what is going on here?

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So I take the
subway to the office.

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The office was near 42nd
street, near the old Grand Central,

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and I go directly to the
office, passing in front of the secretary.

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I see the guy who runs the company.

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I come in, and I tell him:
“What’s the story?”

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He answers me: “Listen, anyone
who has the courage, the balls...

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to just walk in here like that.”

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And he said to me, "I'm going
give you a chance.”

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At the end of the first year,
I was one of the best recruiters.

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I learned a lot about
computers at that time,

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because everything was focused on mainframes,

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and personal computers
were just starting to arrive.

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Two and a half years later, Atari

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came to New York
and wanted to open an office.

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“Have you played Atari today?”

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I essentially made up
the team at the Atari New York office.

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Some of the first employees they
were through me,

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and this is how I launched
Desi Network, placing three people.

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My very first person was a
young man named Adam Bellin.

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He's a great guy.
He is like a little brother to me.

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There is work in companies
cool, casual video games

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and fun like Atari and Activision,
and there is the work with Vince.

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Producer: “Stories that
particularly come to mind

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working with Vince..." that
Do you feel comfortable sharing?"

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The names should be
changed to protect the innocent.

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Probably, but hey,
it was completely crazy.

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Atari actually hired me
the same day of the interview.

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They already had an office in Manhattan,

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but it was a new office
secret that most people didn't know.

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They had taken the 14th floor
of the Clock in the MetLife building.

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And I went into this building
in marble, wearing a t-shirt and flip-flops.

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We had this one floor where a bunch of
hippies worked on video games.

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It was a single floor.

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People were looking at us in the building
MetLife without knowing who we were,

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and we had 24-hour access.

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We were there often
late at night, in the middle of the night.

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Yes, it was a time
completely crazy.

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Then, the first project
of Adam after Atari,

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because Atari still held on
a year before going bankrupt,

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was a title called Sorcerer's Apprentice,
a program for the Commodore 64.

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"And now we are in good
more! We’re in a Commodore 64!”

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Then I found Adam a
job, and he was in the process of

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create a game called Bristles, a
kind of game like Donkey Kong with a

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character, which was a version
primitive Mario, if you will.

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But he was a roommate
at university with Ridel,

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and they obtained the license of
Warner Brothers for "Spy versus Spy"

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The series.

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And this is how we have
created "Spy versus Spy,"

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the first split-screen game.

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Then, from there, we did
the first WWF game

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with Hulk Hogan,
and it was pretty wild.

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“Prime time wrestling!”

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“And all-American wrestling!”

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This is how I landed
in the world of video games...

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Without really wanting to.

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Everything happened at the perfect time.

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And for me, it had a lot
meaning, because by working with Atari,

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I worked with the programmers,
a single programmer created a game.

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Maybe there was an artist,
sometimes two artists.

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And there was only one person
for enterprise-wide audio.

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This is how I found myself
to really appreciate this work,

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because I have a business side,

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a natural instinct for business,

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and this gave me the opportunity

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to be the business person
that I naturally loved to be.

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But at the same time, I
found myself surrounded by creative people,

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creative and very technical people,

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creators of
music, drawings, art.

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It was a magnificent thing.

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Vince on TV:
"To all those who are very young or even,

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to those who are in the
university age group

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and who are considering starting
in something like this...

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You know, if you're good,
it is not enough.

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You have to want to do it.”

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I guess we have
just accepted everything he did.

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He was always ready, I suppose,
to try something

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different, to be different… it was
just the way he was.

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He was never going
do normal work.

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I mean he could talk
to the homeless in the Bowery,

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while conversing with the
president of Chase, without losing the rhythm,

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and he could even eliminate
his New York accent.

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I don't know how he does that,
but he can do it (laughs).

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Throughout the 1980s we continued
to work on a contract basis,

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and I was still working as an agent
while maintaining my business

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headhunters and doing
a variety of other creative activities.

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However, what
happened, it’s that…

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I began to feel that he was
time to leave New York.

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I was going to be 40 years old,
I said to myself, okay, I'm ready...

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I had a great life
here, everything is good.

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You know, New York in the years
80, it was deteriorating.

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I, I wasn't really enjoying it anymore.

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I had this fantasy for Arizona since
that I watched Roy Rogers as a kid.

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Television: “The Roy Rogers Show,

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with Roy Rogers, the king of cowboys,
Trigger, his golden palomino!”

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I prepared an announcement for
a program as an artist,

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and I broadcast it in several cities,

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and Tucson had a tremendous response.

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So, I organized a trip.

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We went to Albuquerque,
Santa Fe, Phoenix, Tucson

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with my former partner,
his wife and their two children.

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It was a phenomenal trip.

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And we just said, wow! We have
preferred Tucson among these four cities.

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So we said,
“Okay, we’ll do it.”

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With my parents, we had
shared feelings,

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you know, him going so far away.

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How many times could we see it?

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But at the same time, it was something
something he really wanted to do.

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It was a dream, he wanted to try it.

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And we would never stop it,
we just, I guess, supported it.

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How we can do it.

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It was a hand always open,
"Well, you're new here,

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we are happy that you are here,
What can we do for you?”

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“Welcome to Tucson.”

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Chapter 1 "We at the post office,
we have a sense of humor,

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but there is nothing funny
in your Postal game..."

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In the early 90s,
there was Mortal Kombat,

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there was the Night Trap.

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Video games reached
a point where violence became visible.

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It wasn't just Mario anymore

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which bounces off a few
mushrooms, and they disappear.

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What happened was that we
could now realize

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and represent real violence.

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People started to worry a little
more of what was in those games.

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Postal, in many ways, has been
a turning point in video games.

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It was a point of maturity.

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And people don't
didn't understand to what extent

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Vince Desi sticks his tongue in his cheek,

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where he does this violence.

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For him, all that,
It’s Kill Bill games.

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“Go Postal!”

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Joseph Lieberman:
Like the Grinch who stole Christmas...

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these violent video games threaten to steal

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this holiday season
the spirit of good will.

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In 1993, Joe Lieberman
saw Mortal Kombat

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and he was shocked, which pushed him
to review other games.

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And he saw a game called
Night Trap, which he never understood.

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I think back to the Atari 2600,
then there were the arcade games,

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and although they were violent,
they were pixelated.

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When consoles and PCs

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started to integrate the cards
3D graphics and other technologies.

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"The TurboGrafx-16 is on the
point of revolutionizing video games!”

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When they started
to add more realistic blood

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and to produce sounds that were no longer
beeps and crackles,

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but where we could
hearing screams and voices.

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I think that's where people
started to have a problem.

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This led to the first audition
on violence in video games.

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"What a cynical and irresponsible way
to market a product."

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The horror of that!
It's a gun, pure and simple.

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Mortal Kombat and Night Trap

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are not the kind of gifts that
responsible parents would offer.

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And what's so funny is
that they complain about Mortal Kombat,

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completely unconscious
that at that time, Doom had just been released.

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Joe Lieberman is miscast,

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people just like to say that
wanted to eliminate violent video games.

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He was more interested in
ensure that these violent games fall

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in good hands. I was totally
agree with that, honestly.

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I didn't think Doom/Mortal Kombat
were made for children aged 6 years.

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So they asked me if I wanted
participate in the report on video games.

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I would like to conclude our
presentation by introducing Steven Kent,

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a chronicler on the scale who criticizes
games for the country's newspapers.

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My role was not
not to criticize the video game industry.

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My role was to propose
alternative games

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which could be more
suitable for the whole family.

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Many parents who
would watch movies with their children

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silently withdraw from the room
when their children turn on a video game.

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It was a tense time.

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There was a lot of anger
towards video games.

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I haven't seen this ad, Senator,
and we don't have control...

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Video games… We must remember that
the generation of parents at the time

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did not necessarily have
was raised with video games.

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So there were parents who
watched cartoons

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with their children. But as soon as
their child turned on a video game,

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they lost all interest
and left the room.

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Video games have therefore become
a black box for parents.

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They didn't know what
their children were playing.

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At that time they were not
ready to play with them

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and learn what the games were,

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what made what Joe
Lieberman made it even more important.

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Vince Desi and Senator Lieberman

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Television: "If you have ever
asked what kind of people produce

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video games, you watch them. These
These guys met in New York..."

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Vince: We were working
on a Steven Seagal game

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and the editor was some
leaves for Silicon Valley.

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I don't remember exactly where.

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So I went there to
a meeting and while I was there,

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I met Gene Lipkin,
one of the founders of Atari.

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He gave good
advice and, to his credit,

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we were here at a barbecue.

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He was visiting Tucson and,
at the barbecue we were successful.

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We succeeded, we created
games for everyone.

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And he turns to me and says:
"You know, it never works...

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You will never do anything else
thing than to make a job out of it."

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He said to me, “Then you have to choose.”

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“What do you want to do?
You can keep hitting

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single shot bullets or
Do you want to try a Home Run?"

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And he said, "At some point
given, you must decide,

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do you want to own your
own intellectual property?

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That's when I understood.

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RSP employees may be
artists or computer programmers

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but they are all part of a team
which can take a year to produce a game.

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It must be understood that some of the people
there were with me for five years,

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people were starting to get it
tired of creating games for children.

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“I’m sick of this, grandpa!”
- “Too bad!”

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It became, you know what?

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It's time for us
to create our own game.

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We then created Running With
Scissors as a new brand,

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but we supported it by creating a game
for Free Willy under the RSP banner.

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We were doing a title for Sesame Street,
so we were actually taking the revenue

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of these securities to finance ourselves
the development of the original Postal game

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under the brand
Running With Scissors (RWS).

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And I made press releases
every week, for approximately 8

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weeks. And it created a feeling
general hysteria and momentum.

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Once we have made the decision
to embark on our own game,

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we knew it immediately,
because we had this machine

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Robotron arcade machine in the office.
That's what everyone loved.

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We liked fast games and we
wanted to stylize them by taking inspiration

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of this. The basic concept was
simply an open world game.

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He was evolving towards this
incessant shooting level

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and at that time the term 'Going Postal'
became more and more popular

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because of the shootings that were starting
to happen

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throughout the country,
in different post offices.

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This number is what we
let's call it a zip code.

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This is very, very important.

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00:25:15,474 --> 00:25:18,644
So the idea was to say that you were
doing 'Going Postal',

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00:25:18,644 --> 00:25:23,232
but for marketing reasons, I like
a simple name, so let's call it Postal.

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-Going Postal.
-Going Postal.

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It's a new video game,
his name is Postal.

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All this was not
not a conscious effort on our part.

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It's all been an evolution
natural, which, in my opinion, adds

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to the overall uniqueness and
creative, if you like,

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who made Postal 1 a game
so different from so many others at the time.

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00:25:41,834 --> 00:25:44,044
Do you know what 'Going Postal' means?

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00:25:44,419 --> 00:25:47,047
It's really not very pleasant.

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Can I help the person
next in line?

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A new video game has sparked
a serious concern among some.

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00:25:52,886 --> 00:25:55,514
It's called Postal, and its creator
claims that it is just a

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joke. But others believe
that this really goes too far.

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So when we had the chance

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to conclude an agreement and have
a company called Ripcord

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00:26:03,814 --> 00:26:06,859
as a publisher, we were delighted.

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00:26:06,859 --> 00:26:11,280
Ripcord was really news
brand for Panasonic Interactive Media,

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who had until then
produces educational titles.

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00:26:13,282 --> 00:26:17,661
They were going to use
Postal as a flagship game to launch

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00:26:17,661 --> 00:26:21,290
their own brand of games
entertainment video.

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00:26:21,331 --> 00:26:22,958
Everyone had the same intention,

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00:26:22,958 --> 00:26:26,837
to create a great game, have fun
and achieve great success. It was not

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00:26:26,879 --> 00:26:31,008
never a conscious choice to say to yourself:
“How are we going to mess this up?”

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This was going to be awesome.

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00:26:32,885 --> 00:26:35,470
Yes, we saw Doom,

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00:26:35,470 --> 00:26:38,056
But Doom was primarily a PC game…

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00:26:38,098 --> 00:26:43,478
And so we thought we understood
the worst thing at the time.

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00:26:43,478 --> 00:26:48,525
And then suddenly, these two games
were released the same year,

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00:26:48,525 --> 00:26:49,860
a few months apart.

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00:26:49,860 --> 00:26:52,029
Both games were played
from a top view.

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From a divine perspective, you are
in the sky and you look at a city.

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One of them was the whole
first Grand Theft Auto.

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00:27:04,041 --> 00:27:06,460
And this game was a big one
subject of concern,

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because you committed
in reality crimes;

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00:27:10,255 --> 00:27:16,011
you were blackmailing,
stole cars, attacked people.

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00:27:16,011 --> 00:27:19,223
Once again, these people
were small tasks

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00:27:19,223 --> 00:27:22,392
in a vaguely maze
resembling a city.

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And then there was Postal.

447
00:27:28,607 --> 00:27:30,734
One day, in the office,

448
00:27:30,943 --> 00:27:33,445
I heard about the
programmers who said:

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"Well, we're trying to find out
how many characters

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can be displayed on the screen
at the same time?”

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00:27:37,324 --> 00:27:40,035
And I heard
"How many can you have?

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5, 10, 15, maybe 20 characters
on screen at the same time?"

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00:27:44,873 --> 00:27:47,584
I immediately
said: “A parade.”

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00:27:55,133 --> 00:27:58,470
Because the parade, for me,
it was funny, you know, a fanfare.

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The only thing that all
the world was talking about Postal,

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00:28:01,890 --> 00:28:06,061
it was that you could
ignite an entire marching band.

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00:28:06,103 --> 00:28:08,730
The idea was… How
can we have fun with this?

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00:28:08,730 --> 00:28:12,192
Light a bunch of stuff
on fire at the same time!

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00:28:12,609 --> 00:28:16,113
And of course, who could have known
the era? But this would be the scene

460
00:28:16,113 --> 00:28:19,575
which would be most often
mentioned when talking about the crazy game Postal.

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00:28:19,616 --> 00:28:22,619
You would see them running on fire, and,

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00:28:22,619 --> 00:28:24,955
saying oh my god,
it's the worst thing ever.

463
00:28:24,955 --> 00:28:27,749
"The objective of the game is to kill
everyone you can."

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00:28:27,749 --> 00:28:32,963
The creators say that the players
de Postal like to release their aggressions.

465
00:28:33,005 --> 00:28:38,677
Needless to say, everyone
likes to shoot innocent people.

466
00:28:39,011 --> 00:28:41,513
Wow! And when you
napalmize the group,

467
00:28:41,555 --> 00:28:44,224
she continues to parade
and sets the whole crowd on fire.

468
00:28:44,224 --> 00:28:49,271
Critics call this one of
the most violent video games ever created.

469
00:28:55,027 --> 00:28:56,486
Here we are at E3.

470
00:28:56,486 --> 00:28:59,156
Media coverage
immense, a gigantic response.

471
00:28:59,156 --> 00:29:02,326
And that's when
CNN came to do the first interview.

472
00:29:02,701 --> 00:29:05,287
And that was truly the peak.

473
00:29:05,287 --> 00:29:08,207
"An unforgettable image
with an AK-47 rifle."

474
00:29:12,127 --> 00:29:16,507
"But the manufacturer, Ripcord
Games, still kept this name."

475
00:29:16,798 --> 00:29:18,717
It is written: "The streets
are flooded with blood.

476
00:29:19,009 --> 00:29:22,179
Watch the victims run
on fire, screaming for help,

477
00:29:22,179 --> 00:29:24,431
until their bodies
charred pieces fall to the ground.

478
00:29:24,431 --> 00:29:26,850
Hear the victims moan and beg
for their lives."

479
00:29:28,018 --> 00:29:30,646
“Explain this to me
Is there anything entertaining in that?"

480
00:29:30,687 --> 00:29:34,775
I think I'll stay on my
initial point, namely that it is a game.

481
00:29:34,775 --> 00:29:38,403
I always considered Postal Dude
like a pretty calm guy

482
00:29:38,445 --> 00:29:42,366
He's just someone who wants
be left alone. You do

483
00:29:42,366 --> 00:29:46,703
your thing, I do mine. Don't
Don't put obstacles in the way.

484
00:29:46,703 --> 00:29:49,081
“Hello.
Would you like to sign my petition?”

485
00:29:52,292 --> 00:29:56,547
I became aware of the
Postal series in the late 90s.

486
00:29:56,547 --> 00:30:00,467
And as someone working in
the video game industry, it was

487
00:30:00,467 --> 00:30:04,304
much smaller at the time. There was
far fewer games were released,

488
00:30:04,304 --> 00:30:06,098
and we thought that there
already had too much at the time.

489
00:30:06,139 --> 00:30:08,725
Postal stood out and we had
everyone heard of it. We have some

490
00:30:08,767 --> 00:30:11,353
everyone heard about it and we
everyone thought it was completely crazy,

491
00:30:11,353 --> 00:30:14,898
without knowing how they were going to succeed
to sell it in brands like

492
00:30:14,940 --> 00:30:18,527
GameStop and Walmart. I come from
community of independent developers.

493
00:30:18,527 --> 00:30:21,363
And so we are all here
to support each other.

494
00:30:21,363 --> 00:30:22,948
Everyone in
the independent community

495
00:30:22,948 --> 00:30:26,577
loved what "Running
With Scissors” did with “Postal”.

496
00:30:26,618 --> 00:30:30,956
Postal was breaking the codes, that’s for sure,
but they took it to the extreme.

497
00:30:30,998 --> 00:30:34,710
The concept was so
excessive, so ridiculous.

498
00:30:34,793 --> 00:30:39,423
It was obviously a joke, and it
was also not intended for children.

499
00:30:40,883 --> 00:30:43,177
So my favorite thing
while playing "Postal",

500
00:30:43,218 --> 00:30:46,805
it wasn't just the
violence and humor, which were great.

501
00:30:46,805 --> 00:30:48,807
I mean, it was very
close to what we find

502
00:30:48,807 --> 00:30:51,059
in shows like
South Park in many ways.

503
00:30:51,059 --> 00:30:53,103
But what I loved above all,

504
00:30:53,103 --> 00:30:55,689
it was that we had
the feeling of doing something

505
00:30:55,731 --> 00:30:58,358
that we weren't supposed to
to do, and that we got by.

506
00:30:58,984 --> 00:31:03,488
The first time I played
at Postal, it was in 1997.

507
00:31:03,655 --> 00:31:07,868
I had seen advertisements in a magazine
local video games called PC Player.

508
00:31:07,868 --> 00:31:11,622
At the time, there wasn't really any
rules as to who could

509
00:31:11,663 --> 00:31:14,666
buy games. Nobody knew
really, at least in Denmark,

510
00:31:14,666 --> 00:31:17,503
that there were games
reserved for adults.

511
00:31:17,544 --> 00:31:19,630
I saw this box in
a games store

512
00:31:19,630 --> 00:31:25,511
with yellow stripes
at the top and bottom of the box.

513
00:31:25,511 --> 00:31:27,054
I bought the game, I
brought it home.

514
00:31:27,054 --> 00:31:29,765
I still have this box,
and I opened it from the bottom.

515
00:31:29,765 --> 00:31:32,059
She still looks
to an unopened box.

516
00:31:32,059 --> 00:31:33,519
I had no
idea of what I was playing.

517
00:31:33,519 --> 00:31:35,270
It was a fun game.

518
00:31:35,270 --> 00:31:39,358
I didn't know what the
Postal term meant neither where it came from.

519
00:31:39,399 --> 00:31:40,776
I have always been a fan,

520
00:31:40,776 --> 00:31:43,612
not only because
the game was fun,

521
00:31:43,654 --> 00:31:46,198
but also because
it was a series of games

522
00:31:46,198 --> 00:31:48,867
who didn't care
of what others thought.

523
00:31:48,867 --> 00:31:52,204
And it was very similar to games
that I played growing up,

524
00:31:52,204 --> 00:31:54,748
and very similar to the games that we
let's create today,

525
00:31:54,915 --> 00:31:58,293
where, they are a little daring
and we create games

526
00:31:58,335 --> 00:32:02,256
which are not necessarily made for
everyone, but which show that there is

527
00:32:02,256 --> 00:32:06,134
room for everyone in the industry
of the game, and I really like it.

528
00:32:28,031 --> 00:32:31,243
We bought a lot
of advertising slots on Howard Stern

529
00:32:31,285 --> 00:32:33,412
and they even paid
a supplement so that

530
00:32:33,453 --> 00:32:35,956
Howard Stern can
do a live reading.

531
00:32:35,956 --> 00:32:37,791
We spent
a fortune for these people.

532
00:32:37,791 --> 00:32:39,459
It was a real clown show.

533
00:32:39,459 --> 00:32:42,296
When they read the text for Howard,

534
00:32:42,337 --> 00:32:47,176
supposed to mention Running
With Scissors or Ripcord,

535
00:32:47,217 --> 00:32:49,511
they mentioned Panasonic instead.

536
00:32:49,553 --> 00:32:52,556
Howard read this
and started making fun of it.

537
00:32:52,598 --> 00:32:56,476
Panasonic has become
completely crazy because of this.

538
00:32:56,476 --> 00:32:59,605
Immediately, we
we received a letter

539
00:32:59,605 --> 00:33:03,650
menacing of the old
postmaster general

540
00:33:03,692 --> 00:33:09,198
from the United States in person,
because of the word Postal.

541
00:33:09,198 --> 00:33:13,327
I had filed a
mark for the word Postal,

542
00:33:13,327 --> 00:33:15,746
because the postal service had been
founded by Benjamin Franklin,

543
00:33:15,787 --> 00:33:17,915
but no one had
never registered this word as a trademark.

544
00:33:17,956 --> 00:33:21,668
So this created a problem
legal between us

545
00:33:21,710 --> 00:33:25,422
and the postmaster,
that is, the federal government.

546
00:33:25,464 --> 00:33:27,466
And all this led
to another situation.

547
00:33:27,549 --> 00:33:29,718
Senator Lieberman,
on the floor of the Senate,

548
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:33,180
named three things that are bad
for the American company:

549
00:33:33,180 --> 00:33:35,224
advertisements for
Calvin Klein underwear,

550
00:33:35,224 --> 00:33:38,268
Marilyn Manson,
and our video game, Postal.

551
00:33:38,268 --> 00:33:43,524
Games like Postal,
marketed by Panasonic, where the player

552
00:33:43,565 --> 00:33:48,612
plays a deranged shooter
seeking to wipe out an entire city.

553
00:33:48,946 --> 00:33:51,240
And I didn't want to have anything
to do with the postal service.

554
00:33:51,323 --> 00:33:52,950
It was nothing to do with that.

555
00:33:52,950 --> 00:33:58,580
It was always the story of one guy
ordinary person who decides he's had enough.

556
00:33:58,580 --> 00:34:01,208
Only my weapon understands me.

557
00:34:01,416 --> 00:34:03,293
Oh yes, I do.

558
00:34:03,418 --> 00:34:08,005
It's really a very crazy game
for people who are crazy about games.

559
00:34:08,005 --> 00:34:09,757
Many people
don't see it that way.

560
00:34:09,757 --> 00:34:13,469
The postmaster, for example,
writes a letter to the game developers,

561
00:34:13,469 --> 00:34:16,473
saying it was a representation
unfair to postal workers.

562
00:34:16,514 --> 00:34:18,016
“Dear Mr. Desi.

563
00:34:18,016 --> 00:34:21,645
We, at the Post Office,
have a sense of humor,

564
00:34:22,187 --> 00:34:25,482
but there is nothing funny
in your Postal game.

565
00:34:25,524 --> 00:34:29,069
It is in very bad taste
and constitutes an erroneous representation

566
00:34:29,069 --> 00:34:32,906
and unfair to the country's postal employees."

567
00:34:32,906 --> 00:34:34,199
No kidding.

568
00:34:34,241 --> 00:34:37,953
He's a bit of a crazy guy and
crazy guy from Arizona who is freaking out.

569
00:34:38,203 --> 00:34:43,333
So I get this, and my first
reaction was to laugh out loud.

570
00:34:44,333 --> 00:34:48,547
People who die in offices
post this is not something funny.

571
00:34:48,547 --> 00:34:50,382
There is currently
lots of online discussions

572
00:34:50,382 --> 00:34:53,135
about what could mean
the term Going Postal… the postal service

573
00:34:53,177 --> 00:34:55,929
sent them a letter to tell them
that this name could not be used.

574
00:34:55,929 --> 00:35:01,393
I vaguely remember the incidents
Going Postal that happened.

575
00:35:01,393 --> 00:35:04,354
I think there were two
or three over the years. But the

576
00:35:04,354 --> 00:35:07,316
term 'going postal' has sufficiently
amused people to become a

577
00:35:07,316 --> 00:35:10,652
slang term for someone
who completely loses control.

578
00:35:13,906 --> 00:35:16,909
The game, after its release in November,

579
00:35:16,909 --> 00:35:20,662
has not been on the shelves
only for two weeks.

580
00:35:20,704 --> 00:35:22,164
Then it was withdrawn from the market.

581
00:35:22,164 --> 00:35:24,541
When removed, this generated
even more controversy.

582
00:35:24,583 --> 00:35:26,460
A sequence
of events has occurred.

583
00:35:26,502 --> 00:35:30,923
And finally we concluded
an amicable agreement with the publisher,

584
00:35:30,964 --> 00:35:33,592
because I said to myself:
“Wait a moment… We have invested all

585
00:35:33,592 --> 00:35:36,094
our energy in this
project." What is going on here?

586
00:35:36,094 --> 00:35:38,805
You remove my product
while the players appreciated it…

587
00:35:38,847 --> 00:35:41,683
And yet we found ourselves in
the total inability to market it.

588
00:35:41,767 --> 00:35:47,814
Honestly, I was neither prepared nor
even aware of what was coming next.

589
00:35:47,814 --> 00:35:50,192
It didn't do
part of a strategic plan.

590
00:35:50,192 --> 00:35:52,277
We have never sought to provoke

591
00:35:52,319 --> 00:35:55,072
deliberately
controversy to attract attention.

592
00:35:55,072 --> 00:35:56,532
None of this was premeditated.

593
00:35:56,532 --> 00:36:01,328
But as soon as Postal and its
appearance in the Wall Street Journal,

594
00:36:01,328 --> 00:36:04,581
things literally exploded.

595
00:36:04,581 --> 00:36:07,376
The headlines multiplied
in the national press,

596
00:36:07,417 --> 00:36:09,545
including in newspapers
like The Wall Street Journal.

597
00:36:09,628 --> 00:36:13,632
The initial project consisted of
to take a dual approach:

598
00:36:13,632 --> 00:36:16,593
on the one hand, designing games
for children, like Disney,

599
00:36:16,635 --> 00:36:20,097
Hanna-Barbera and especially Sesame
Street, and on the other, develop Postal.

600
00:36:20,138 --> 00:36:22,057
This project was shattered.

601
00:36:24,393 --> 00:36:27,145
We were told very
clearly, in person:

602
00:36:27,229 --> 00:36:30,148
"We don't know if we can
continue to work with you."

603
00:36:30,190 --> 00:36:32,901
Sesame Street
removed, and it all ended there...

604
00:36:32,901 --> 00:36:36,405
Because once this major contract is lost,

605
00:36:37,698 --> 00:36:41,076
this meant that we were
now fully committed to Postal.

606
00:36:44,955 --> 00:36:49,293
So I just tried
to focus on one thing:

607
00:36:49,626 --> 00:36:52,087
“They want confrontation?
Alright, let's go."

608
00:36:52,129 --> 00:36:56,758
Our own market analyzes
revealed surprising results:

609
00:36:56,758 --> 00:37:00,345
respected professionals, lawyers,
doctors were buying our game.

610
00:37:00,721 --> 00:37:02,472
I'm not even going to--

611
00:37:02,472 --> 00:37:04,808
Mike Huckabee: "I continue
to think that this game has no value."

612
00:37:04,808 --> 00:37:07,936
I'm not here to dictate to people
what they should do at home or what

613
00:37:07,936 --> 00:37:11,023
that they should watch. So I
I don’t accept being imposed on me either.

614
00:37:11,064 --> 00:37:14,484
It never had a place in our home
- But it's still a game.

615
00:37:14,484 --> 00:37:18,030
What do we say to families?
having experienced a tragedy

616
00:37:18,030 --> 00:37:21,408
when we tell them that we are transforming
their tragedy as mere entertainment?

617
00:37:21,408 --> 00:37:23,202
It becomes a sinister joke.

618
00:37:23,202 --> 00:37:25,829
The workers union
of the post office encourages a boycott of the game.

619
00:37:25,871 --> 00:37:27,456
I don't care
of this sort of thing.

620
00:37:27,456 --> 00:37:30,042
It's like judging
someone on a single word.

621
00:37:35,339 --> 00:37:39,051
After all, everyone appreciates
its postman, so what's the problem?

622
00:37:39,051 --> 00:37:40,928
This game, some say
that he was in the spirit of

623
00:37:40,928 --> 00:37:43,096
everyone, but no one
had the courage to create it.

624
00:37:43,138 --> 00:37:46,058
And yet, 25 years
later we are still here.

625
00:37:46,433 --> 00:37:51,355
I grew up back then
where the expression 'Going Postal'

626
00:37:51,980 --> 00:37:56,944
was associated with these frustrated employees
who showed up at work with a weapon.

627
00:37:57,152 --> 00:38:02,449
But I also remember that in
Duke Nukem, there was this line:

628
00:38:02,491 --> 00:38:04,243
“I’m going to be a Postal now.”

629
00:38:04,284 --> 00:38:06,537
"Looks like it's time
for me to go...POSTAL."

630
00:38:06,537 --> 00:38:09,581
The first time that
I heard it, I found it funny.

631
00:38:09,581 --> 00:38:12,960
And when I saw that there was a
Postal game about a guy who

632
00:38:13,001 --> 00:38:16,421
was going to do Postal everywhere,
I thought it was hilarious.

633
00:38:16,421 --> 00:38:20,217
Certainly, 'Going Postal'
is an expression full of meaning,

634
00:38:20,217 --> 00:38:22,845
a sharp criticism of the shootings
mass. But this discussion

635
00:38:22,886 --> 00:38:25,514
risks irritating your audience,
isn't it? Well, too bad.

636
00:38:25,514 --> 00:38:26,974
“Do you want to dance?”

637
00:38:26,974 --> 00:38:30,644
Duke Nukem, the series
Postal and many others

638
00:38:30,644 --> 00:38:33,647
still use violence
exaggerated, almost caricatured.

639
00:38:33,689 --> 00:38:35,023
This is all deliberately absurd.

640
00:38:35,023 --> 00:38:38,443
and must in no way
case be taken at face value.

641
00:38:38,485 --> 00:38:40,696
This is where the humor lies,
in this exaggeration

642
00:38:40,737 --> 00:38:43,323
volunteer who is similar
more to what we find

643
00:38:43,365 --> 00:38:49,079
in animated series like South
Park, The Simpsons or Family Guy,

644
00:38:49,121 --> 00:38:56,378
rather than games where violence
is portrayed in a more realistic manner.

645
00:38:59,590 --> 00:39:02,718
However, there will inevitably be
children who will play this

646
00:39:02,718 --> 00:39:05,846
game… They will hold an axe,
they will bring it down on their victim.

647
00:39:05,846 --> 00:39:08,223
This is how it will work…
When playing on the Wii.

648
00:39:25,741 --> 00:39:29,745
In 1997 the United States Postal Service
filed a complaint for violation of

649
00:39:29,786 --> 00:39:33,207
mark against Running
With Scissors…

650
00:39:33,957 --> 00:39:41,840
In 2003, the case was
dismissed with prejudice.

651
00:39:44,801 --> 00:39:49,139
At the time of its release,

652
00:39:49,181 --> 00:39:54,811
Postal was banned and put on
blacklist in 14 countries

653
00:40:00,651 --> 00:40:07,658
Ch2: "Until someone packs
syphilis and tries to sell it,

654
00:40:07,699 --> 00:40:13,830
POSTAL 2 is the worst product ever
imposed on consumers" -Robert Coffee

655
00:40:15,290 --> 00:40:18,085
When I was writing my book

656
00:40:18,085 --> 00:40:20,712
"The ultimate story of
video games, volume 2",

657
00:40:20,754 --> 00:40:25,801
a mutual friend contacted me and said: "You
should really interview Vince Desi."

658
00:40:28,303 --> 00:40:32,099
At that time, I was considering
to include a section devoted to

659
00:40:32,140 --> 00:40:35,936
games having crossed certain
limits, a sort of Hall of Shame.

660
00:40:37,771 --> 00:40:41,692
I doubt that the majority
pastors in the United States

661
00:40:41,692 --> 00:40:44,862
are still offended
today at the mention of Postal.

662
00:40:45,362 --> 00:40:47,614
This raises another question:

663
00:40:47,614 --> 00:40:50,367
Did Postal contribute
to pervert society,

664
00:40:51,493 --> 00:40:57,249
or have the tastes of society
spawned what would become Postal?

665
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:06,842
My name is Mike Jaret-Schachter.

666
00:41:06,842 --> 00:41:09,970
I am vice president of development
commercial at "Running With Scissors."

667
00:41:12,514 --> 00:41:15,058
I was once told that Mike had

668
00:41:15,058 --> 00:41:17,769
a slightly personality
different before we met.

669
00:41:17,769 --> 00:41:19,646
He has unwavering passion
in everything he does.

670
00:41:19,646 --> 00:41:22,316
This hat has absolutely no
nothing to do on your fucking helmet!

671
00:41:22,316 --> 00:41:24,484
Whatever the phases it
crosses, he remains true to himself,

672
00:41:24,526 --> 00:41:26,862
but sometimes it needs to be reframed.

673
00:41:26,904 --> 00:41:29,323
Every time he enters
in conflict with someone,

674
00:41:29,323 --> 00:41:31,450
I receive a call
of his mother asking me:

675
00:41:31,450 --> 00:41:33,327
"Can you tell Mike
to be a little kinder?"

676
00:41:33,410 --> 00:41:35,370
He shouts from behind the camera: “Mike!”

677
00:41:37,581 --> 00:41:39,958
At school, I was a pretty average student.

678
00:41:39,958 --> 00:41:42,377
I attended my classes,
I was doing my homework.

679
00:41:43,420 --> 00:41:47,341
C’est en cours d’informatique que tout
changed, shaping the rest of my life.

680
00:41:47,382 --> 00:41:51,595
There was a student who did not know
absolument rien aux ordinateurs,

681
00:41:51,595 --> 00:41:52,930
which, in itself, was not a problem.

682
00:41:52,930 --> 00:41:55,974
Mais il nous affirmait que son
father owned a gaming company

683
00:41:55,974 --> 00:41:58,977
video in Tucson, which
paraissait totalement invraisemblable.

684
00:41:59,019 --> 00:42:00,354
If your father has
a video game company,

685
00:42:00,354 --> 00:42:01,730
you should at least know
use a computer.

686
00:42:01,772 --> 00:42:03,732
This boy had no idea though.

687
00:42:03,774 --> 00:42:06,860
One day, while leaving class,
I found him sitting in front of the school.

688
00:42:06,860 --> 00:42:09,404
He asked me to drive him
at his father's office.

689
00:42:09,404 --> 00:42:14,743
I thought, “This is going to be interesting.”
Let's check out this Circle K, 7/11

690
00:42:14,785 --> 00:42:16,578
or any other
where your father works.

691
00:42:16,578 --> 00:42:18,121
So I drove him to the office,

692
00:42:18,163 --> 00:42:19,665
and I was wrong.

693
00:42:19,665 --> 00:42:21,416
His father's name was Vince.

694
00:42:23,418 --> 00:42:25,379
He is almost thirty years old
more than me,

695
00:42:25,379 --> 00:42:27,506
but he is like a soul brother.

696
00:42:27,506 --> 00:42:28,924
We are,
in a way, the same person.

697
00:42:28,966 --> 00:42:33,720
Germany has just withdrawn all our
games from Steam, just two days ago.

698
00:42:33,762 --> 00:42:36,306
It feels like we're back
under the Nazi regime.

699
00:42:36,306 --> 00:42:39,518
Vince's personality meshed
perfectly from “Running With Scissors.”

700
00:42:39,518 --> 00:42:41,520
Are you kidding? No regrets.
Absolutely none.

701
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:44,523
Originally he created games
children's video, Vince and Wishbone.

702
00:42:44,523 --> 00:42:47,109
“What’s the story, Wishbone?”

703
00:42:47,109 --> 00:42:48,902
Vince and Bobby’s World.

704
00:42:49,486 --> 00:42:53,532
So many games that do not reflect
nothing like the man he really is.

705
00:42:53,574 --> 00:42:56,869
Queue like everyone else!
Do you want money too?

706
00:42:56,869 --> 00:42:58,787
You ?! Kiss my ass !

707
00:42:58,787 --> 00:43:02,207
I don't know, maybe your
generation is different from mine,

708
00:43:02,207 --> 00:43:05,669
but in my time,
we pissed on everything.

709
00:43:07,754 --> 00:43:10,632
I met Mike J through
through my son, Vinny.

710
00:43:10,632 --> 00:43:12,426
He came to the office.

711
00:43:12,467 --> 00:43:17,014
He was loud, ruthless, rude...
in short, all these wonderful qualities.

712
00:43:17,055 --> 00:43:20,017
Unbearable for
most people.

713
00:43:20,684 --> 00:43:24,229
But in him, I recognized
a younger version of myself.

714
00:43:24,271 --> 00:43:27,733
Someone once asked: “Is it
what, the recipe for sausage bread?”

715
00:43:27,733 --> 00:43:29,318
Honestly, she never changed.

716
00:43:29,318 --> 00:43:30,944
Sometimes I imagine something,

717
00:43:30,944 --> 00:43:34,531
and he makes his own version of it,
in other words, he screws it up.

718
00:43:34,531 --> 00:43:37,284
Yes, because the taste,
it is not subjective.

719
00:43:37,284 --> 00:43:41,288
He's just honest and direct, and
most people can't stand it.

720
00:43:41,288 --> 00:43:45,834
He joined the team and, since
and he is now a partner.

721
00:43:45,876 --> 00:43:46,877
The good news,

722
00:43:46,877 --> 00:43:50,255
it’s only thanks to regular income
derived from royalties from various sources,

723
00:43:50,255 --> 00:43:53,300
we were able to ensure our
sustainability and continue to move forward alone.

724
00:43:53,342 --> 00:43:54,801
A bigger publisher
would undoubtedly have told us:

725
00:43:54,801 --> 00:43:56,887
“Listen guys, it’s time to stop.

726
00:43:56,929 --> 00:44:00,516
You don't generate dozens of
million dollars with that." But our

727
00:44:00,516 --> 00:44:04,561
answer would have been clear: "Certainly, but
we earn enough to keep us going.”

728
00:44:05,854 --> 00:44:08,857
The original Postal was submitted to
an infernal pressure, as well from the

729
00:44:08,899 --> 00:44:12,402
from the media as well as from the government and
from our first publisher, Ripcord Games.

730
00:44:12,903 --> 00:44:17,783
And we are deeply sorry
for the families who suffered.

731
00:44:17,783 --> 00:44:20,077
They compensated us. We
were forced to suspend

732
00:44:20,077 --> 00:44:22,371
the development of a new
Postal for two or three years.

733
00:44:22,412 --> 00:44:24,164
We had to reduce the
sail. At that time,

734
00:44:24,164 --> 00:44:25,624
the situation was
relatively simple,

735
00:44:25,624 --> 00:44:26,959
because some members
of the team chose to leave.

736
00:44:26,959 --> 00:44:29,086
As for me, I could no longer
return to children's games,

737
00:44:29,086 --> 00:44:32,422
because no more publisher specialized in this
domain didn't want to work with us.

738
00:44:32,464 --> 00:44:35,050
So there we were, to us
ask: What to do now?

739
00:44:35,259 --> 00:44:37,010
Then we made a decision,
we were going to go it alone.

740
00:44:37,052 --> 00:44:39,596
We said, “All right,
we are going to create Postal 2."

741
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:44,852
And this time it would be
a radically different game.

742
00:44:46,979 --> 00:44:49,773
I had a pretty clear idea of what
what the game must have been in my mind,

743
00:44:49,773 --> 00:44:51,483
and although we had
people working on the project

744
00:44:51,525 --> 00:44:53,235
behind the scenes, there is
didn't really have any play.

745
00:44:53,235 --> 00:44:57,698
So I couldn't really give
shape to what was going on in my mind.

746
00:44:57,698 --> 00:44:59,908
In the end, in my
mind, the game was not that far away

747
00:44:59,908 --> 00:45:02,077
of what he has become, but he
was still different.

748
00:45:02,077 --> 00:45:05,122
The original Postal was built
on an old RSP engine,

749
00:45:05,122 --> 00:45:07,791
that we used to
games for children.

750
00:45:07,791 --> 00:45:10,335
Postal 2, being a shooter
in the first person...

751
00:45:10,377 --> 00:45:12,129
Everything was new.

752
00:45:13,422 --> 00:45:15,090
Just doing
so that the areas

753
00:45:15,132 --> 00:45:16,967
have the necessary size
to work with

754
00:45:17,009 --> 00:45:18,886
performance that they
offered was a real challenge.

755
00:45:18,886 --> 00:45:21,471
Make the characters
move as they did

756
00:45:21,513 --> 00:45:23,056
was also a struggle
at all times.

757
00:45:23,056 --> 00:45:24,850
In fact, it's all been a struggle,

758
00:45:24,850 --> 00:45:29,813
and we even launched the game with
Really horrible loading times.

759
00:45:32,441 --> 00:45:35,277
"Running With Scissors"
is an independent video game studio

760
00:45:35,277 --> 00:45:36,945
who faces many problems
typical of independent studios,

761
00:45:36,945 --> 00:45:40,240
that other studios would have without
doubt have been congratulated for having overcome,

762
00:45:40,240 --> 00:45:42,201
or at least that we would have recognized,

763
00:45:42,242 --> 00:45:45,078
like the inherent limitations
to their working conditions.

764
00:45:45,078 --> 00:45:47,706
Look at the accomplishment
of what they did,

765
00:45:47,706 --> 00:45:50,876
but no one will ever attribute
this to “Running With Scissors.”

766
00:45:50,876 --> 00:45:53,879
"Running With Scissors" has always
functioned like a family. I mean

767
00:45:53,921 --> 00:45:56,798
it's different from any
another studio I worked for.

768
00:45:56,798 --> 00:46:00,469
We feel at home there, we have the impression
that everyone gives their honest opinion,

769
00:46:00,469 --> 00:46:01,929
that everyone does their part
better. It's not just a

770
00:46:01,929 --> 00:46:03,680
just to show up on time
and collect his paycheck.

771
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:06,517
These people are really
passionate about what we do.

772
00:46:06,558 --> 00:46:10,062
This is one of the important parts
from “Running With Scissors,”

773
00:46:10,062 --> 00:46:12,940
I think, over time
years, during interviews with

774
00:46:12,940 --> 00:46:16,235
team members around
studio and game development,

775
00:46:16,235 --> 00:46:19,446
no one ever said they
had been treated less than with dignity

776
00:46:19,488 --> 00:46:21,490
by the people behind the project.

777
00:46:21,532 --> 00:46:26,411
On paper, they are an excellent
independent game studio,

778
00:46:26,453 --> 00:46:29,331
who does his best,
but often missing

779
00:46:29,373 --> 00:46:35,587
the target in many respects, as far as
would have become a mainstream success.

780
00:46:35,587 --> 00:46:37,965
We must remember that we
talks about post-2001.

781
00:46:38,006 --> 00:46:42,010
Terrorism, madness, deviance
Catholic priests.

782
00:46:42,010 --> 00:46:45,055
It was just like that
the world was changing.

783
00:46:45,055 --> 00:46:47,516
But the Postal Dude is an individual

784
00:46:47,516 --> 00:46:51,562
which must essentially
manage a mountain of shit,

785
00:46:51,603 --> 00:46:55,649
just like anyone
in his own real life.

786
00:46:55,816 --> 00:46:57,901
We are naive to think
that the children will not

787
00:46:57,943 --> 00:47:00,279
not have access to it, so
we delude ourselves.

788
00:47:04,616 --> 00:47:06,493
I don't regret anything.

789
00:47:11,498 --> 00:47:14,668
I would never have imagined that
the greatest notoriety

790
00:47:14,668 --> 00:47:16,545
that I ever had would come
from this Postal series.

791
00:47:16,545 --> 00:47:18,463
You didn't work in
a bathroom before that?

792
00:47:18,463 --> 00:47:21,675
Man, the whole world
is my bathroom!

793
00:47:21,925 --> 00:47:25,095
Which is quite appropriate, since
This place is a real dump.

794
00:47:25,137 --> 00:47:26,805
I didn't think it was okay
become a big thing.

795
00:47:26,805 --> 00:47:28,390
I just thought
that it would be a local thing.

796
00:47:28,390 --> 00:47:32,227
When we made Postal 2, it was
where it really took off.

797
00:47:32,352 --> 00:47:34,062
“What are you talking about, Willis?

798
00:47:34,229 --> 00:47:36,690
I don't remember who in
the team suggested that we should,

799
00:47:36,690 --> 00:47:38,400
like, having Gary Coleman.

800
00:47:39,109 --> 00:47:44,156
I searched a little and I was able to enter
in contact with Gary Coleman.

801
00:47:44,156 --> 00:47:45,824
He came to Tucson

802
00:47:47,576 --> 00:47:50,370
and, as they say,
the rest is history.

803
00:47:54,333 --> 00:47:59,004
The company "Running With Scissors"
designed the first game six years ago.

804
00:47:59,004 --> 00:48:00,672
Some thought
that it was a success,

805
00:48:00,672 --> 00:48:02,925
while others
were completely offended.

806
00:48:02,925 --> 00:48:05,802
They were just
so frustrated, angry,

807
00:48:05,802 --> 00:48:07,846
and had no way
to release this tension.

808
00:48:07,930 --> 00:48:10,057
This game was a perfect way to do that.

809
00:48:10,390 --> 00:48:12,559
Once we
we had Gary in the game,

810
00:48:12,559 --> 00:48:17,189
all the dynamics took
an absurd, comic turn,

811
00:48:17,231 --> 00:48:20,484
satirical, completely crazy.

812
00:48:20,484 --> 00:48:23,028
“Hi, would you like to sign my petition?”

813
00:48:23,028 --> 00:48:24,905
“What are you talking about, asshole?”

814
00:48:33,622 --> 00:48:36,667
What these developers
games won't do for a dollar.

815
00:48:36,667 --> 00:48:38,544
But at least it's educational.

816
00:48:39,878 --> 00:48:44,466
In April 2003, five
years after the original Postal,

817
00:48:44,466 --> 00:48:47,469
Postal 2 is out.

818
00:48:51,890 --> 00:48:53,392
Did I just give a
kick this guy

819
00:48:53,392 --> 00:48:54,852
and cut it into
two at the same time?

820
00:48:54,852 --> 00:48:58,397
I just remember sitting down
there, laughing out loud while playing it...

821
00:48:58,397 --> 00:49:00,566
It's brutal and cruel.

822
00:49:00,566 --> 00:49:04,862
And it's definitely not
politically correct.

823
00:49:04,903 --> 00:49:07,364
And yet, there are elements
that make you uncomfortable

824
00:49:07,364 --> 00:49:10,075
and others who
make you laugh like never before.

825
00:49:13,203 --> 00:49:15,956
"With the controversy surrounding
this violent video game!”

826
00:49:15,956 --> 00:49:17,416
“This is Postal 2.

827
00:49:17,416 --> 00:49:21,420
It's a 3D video game about
a person who goes to work,

828
00:49:21,461 --> 00:49:24,882
gets fired and freaks out
on the people around him."

829
00:49:24,923 --> 00:49:29,469
I really believed
that it was going to put us back on the map.

830
00:49:29,511 --> 00:49:31,805
Okay, we wouldn't be banned.

831
00:49:31,805 --> 00:49:37,060
The public was going to love us,
but the media were going to embrace us.

832
00:49:37,060 --> 00:49:39,521
And I could already feel that this
It was going to be an interesting day.

833
00:49:39,521 --> 00:49:45,527
The immediate reception was phenomenal,
fantastic and horrible at the same time.

834
00:49:46,862 --> 00:49:48,530
The media continued to hate us.

835
00:49:48,530 --> 00:49:50,282
The public continued to adore us.

836
00:49:50,449 --> 00:49:52,367
"It's not worse than
movies or anything

837
00:49:52,367 --> 00:49:54,286
or else in our
culture today."

838
00:49:54,286 --> 00:49:56,622
"A relative we have
questioned says he does not agree."

839
00:49:56,622 --> 00:49:58,165
“I won’t let them play it.”

840
00:49:58,207 --> 00:50:03,670
And I didn't understand,
but we were doomed again.

841
00:50:04,296 --> 00:50:08,383
When Postal 2 was released, the
Violent video games were everywhere.

842
00:50:11,553 --> 00:50:14,348
I didn't think we would meet
real difficulties to find

843
00:50:14,348 --> 00:50:16,975
a publisher and get coverage
media. And I was wrong.

844
00:50:16,975 --> 00:50:19,937
The game was called Postal.
It didn't matter what was popular.

845
00:50:19,937 --> 00:50:21,271
We had Osama bin Laden.

846
00:50:21,271 --> 00:50:23,774
We had Gary Coleman,
which made people laugh.

847
00:50:23,815 --> 00:50:26,235
We had urine,
violence against cats.

848
00:50:29,321 --> 00:50:32,407
They even integrated
this passage in Postal 2.

849
00:50:32,574 --> 00:50:35,536
Where in the game protesters

850
00:50:35,536 --> 00:50:37,704
protested in front
the offices of Running With Scissors.

851
00:50:37,704 --> 00:50:41,458
"The games are bad,
They drive you crazy!”

852
00:50:41,500 --> 00:50:45,921
And one of your missions was
to kill the demonstrators.

853
00:50:45,963 --> 00:50:47,089
"Oh my God !"

854
00:50:47,881 --> 00:50:50,551
I really liked that they broke
a bit of the fourth wall

855
00:50:50,551 --> 00:50:54,304
and they have fun
with controversy.

856
00:50:54,596 --> 00:50:55,931
"Have a good day."

857
00:50:55,973 --> 00:50:58,350
I found it funny,
and I still find it funny.

858
00:50:58,392 --> 00:51:01,144
I thought it was inappropriate
for ten year old children.

859
00:51:01,144 --> 00:51:03,897
I still think it's
inappropriate for ten year olds.

860
00:51:03,939 --> 00:51:07,484
“Oh, it’s you! My penis is showing…
It says censored.”

861
00:51:07,484 --> 00:51:09,570
“Wait, it says censored!”

862
00:51:10,028 --> 00:51:14,950
The addition of Gary Coleman and the
urinating on the people you killed

863
00:51:14,950 --> 00:51:17,953
Didn't make anything better or worse.

864
00:51:18,036 --> 00:51:22,624
It wasn't my kind of game, but
it was a game with a sense of humor.

865
00:51:22,666 --> 00:51:26,295
I get a lot of feedback
saying "it really marked my life"

866
00:51:26,336 --> 00:51:28,046
This seems to be a
great statement, but

867
00:51:28,046 --> 00:51:29,798
many people say
things like that.

868
00:51:29,798 --> 00:51:31,508
It's a bit like,
“It was my childhood and I

869
00:51:31,550 --> 00:51:33,260
could evacuate my
anger through this game."

870
00:51:33,260 --> 00:51:37,181
The game is only violent to the extent that
you are, and I think that's true.

871
00:51:37,222 --> 00:51:39,933
Postal does not receive enough
of recognition for the fact

872
00:51:39,933 --> 00:51:42,644
that you can play it
completely non-violent manner,

873
00:51:42,644 --> 00:51:45,022
you can finish
the entire game without killing anyone.

874
00:51:45,147 --> 00:51:47,441
We got the first "zero"

875
00:51:47,482 --> 00:51:49,610
never attributed by
Computer Gaming World.

876
00:51:51,820 --> 00:51:55,365
"Until someone packs the
syphilis and tries to sell it at retail,

877
00:51:55,365 --> 00:51:58,952
Postal 2 is the worst product ever
imposed on consumers.

878
00:51:59,369 --> 00:52:01,914
They also compared it
to an infected colon.

879
00:52:04,833 --> 00:52:06,293
What a distinction.

880
00:52:06,418 --> 00:52:09,713
I transformed this a bit into
"worst game ever created" and I

881
00:52:09,713 --> 00:52:13,008
I said, you know what? He
We need to put that on the box.

882
00:52:13,842 --> 00:52:17,888
And I'll tell you, it didn't happen
went very well at the office.

883
00:52:17,930 --> 00:52:20,057
“Holy shit!”

884
00:52:20,098 --> 00:52:24,269
I started to
hate very, very quickly,

885
00:52:24,269 --> 00:52:27,773
but certainly as soon as everything
racism began to emerge.

886
00:52:27,814 --> 00:52:29,608
It is approximately at
after five minutes.

887
00:52:29,608 --> 00:52:32,611
And that's when
that I said to myself: “Oh Jesus, no…”

888
00:52:34,905 --> 00:52:38,033
Is it for everyone?
No, it's rough, it's raw,

889
00:52:38,033 --> 00:52:39,618
it’s a maverick type production.

890
00:52:39,618 --> 00:52:40,869
Is it a masterpiece? No.

891
00:52:40,869 --> 00:52:44,623
Is it a fun game sometimes
imperfect, but entertaining?

892
00:52:44,623 --> 00:52:45,707
Absolutely.

893
00:52:45,707 --> 00:52:48,627
When Robert
Coffey gave us a zero out of ten,

894
00:52:48,669 --> 00:52:52,297
my first thought was
that I could never pay him enough.

895
00:52:52,339 --> 00:52:54,967
And it was great because
that we didn't pay him at all.

896
00:52:55,008 --> 00:52:56,802
I find it funny, it’s satirical.

897
00:52:56,802 --> 00:52:58,053
It's all in good humor.

898
00:52:58,095 --> 00:53:01,598
And if you want to be offended
about that, well, go ahead.

899
00:53:01,598 --> 00:53:03,684
You know, there was no
of social networks at the time,

900
00:53:03,725 --> 00:53:06,311
the words that the spectators
wrote in magazines

901
00:53:06,311 --> 00:53:09,231
were like whores
of Ten Commandments. All right ?

902
00:53:09,231 --> 00:53:13,360
So when people saw that, they
were like electric shocks, hard.

903
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:17,781
I know that as I played it,
I hated him more and more

904
00:53:17,781 --> 00:53:20,909
and I really found it,
truly horrible.

905
00:53:22,953 --> 00:53:25,956
The producer: "So the criticism is
output… you gave it a zero.

906
00:53:25,956 --> 00:53:29,168
What was the reaction?
Postal fans to your critics?

907
00:53:29,209 --> 00:53:30,252
Death threats.

908
00:53:30,252 --> 00:53:34,256
I received hundreds
death threats against me, my wife.

909
00:53:34,256 --> 00:53:35,799
I received threats
of rape against my wife

910
00:53:35,799 --> 00:53:38,719
and death threats against
my children aged five and seven.

911
00:53:40,012 --> 00:53:41,180
Hundreds.

912
00:53:41,346 --> 00:53:43,557
Don't bother
search, we will come to you.

913
00:53:43,765 --> 00:53:45,267
You're going to regret this Robert.

914
00:53:45,309 --> 00:53:47,352
It's a horrible story
that you tell me.

915
00:53:47,394 --> 00:53:51,773
But for me, once again,
it reflects people’s insecurities.

916
00:53:51,899 --> 00:53:54,401
We will kill your family

917
00:53:54,693 --> 00:53:56,236
It's a surprise for me.

918
00:53:56,653 --> 00:53:58,488
I'm definitely not
agree with that.

919
00:53:58,530 --> 00:54:02,201
At the time, there was no Internet to
saying stupid things like today.

920
00:54:02,201 --> 00:54:05,037
But that's what
served the magazines.

921
00:54:05,078 --> 00:54:06,997
I don't know, I'm sorry
for stupid things.

922
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:09,416
That I will call
Postal fans said,

923
00:54:09,458 --> 00:54:12,044
but I don't consider them
really like fans

924
00:54:12,044 --> 00:54:15,214
if they threaten lives simply because
that someone doesn't like our product.

925
00:54:15,214 --> 00:54:17,216
If you want to love a
game like Postal,

926
00:54:17,216 --> 00:54:20,469
you have to accept that probably
four out of five friends won't.

927
00:54:20,469 --> 00:54:22,429
I stand by my criticism.

928
00:54:22,471 --> 00:54:26,391
Tears of blood that
I paid while playing this game.

929
00:54:26,433 --> 00:54:29,520
It's the same shit
that I played 20 years ago.

930
00:54:31,355 --> 00:54:34,525
With the negative comes
a ton of positives.

931
00:54:34,566 --> 00:54:37,736
We also got five stars
out of five from another media

932
00:54:37,778 --> 00:54:39,947
which was also listed
on Game Rankings.

933
00:54:40,322 --> 00:54:44,576
This therefore allowed us to
turn to Guinness World Record

934
00:54:44,576 --> 00:54:46,703
to award us the world record
of the most divisively criticized game.

935
00:54:46,703 --> 00:54:50,165
And we actually received the title
the most criticized game in history,

936
00:54:50,165 --> 00:54:52,501
because we received
a zero and a cent.

937
00:54:53,877 --> 00:54:55,879
Running With Scissors
refused to pay $27 fee

938
00:54:55,879 --> 00:54:58,131
to obtain a certificate
physics from Guinness World Records.

939
00:54:58,215 --> 00:55:00,592
Now twenty-two
years after the release of the first Postal,

940
00:55:00,634 --> 00:55:05,264
we are still the company
most banned and blacklisted in the world.

941
00:55:06,598 --> 00:55:08,892
Despite the lifting of the ban
for more than 10 years,

942
00:55:08,934 --> 00:55:11,228
Australia has officially
removed Postal 2 from Steam.

943
00:55:11,562 --> 00:55:14,481
Some time ago, the industry
of video games has been the subject of strong

944
00:55:14,523 --> 00:55:17,734
criticism in California, notably
under the leadership of a corrupt senator

945
00:55:17,776 --> 00:55:20,863
who was determined to fight against this
sector. Faced with these attacks, the industry

946
00:55:20,863 --> 00:55:23,615
she herself brought the matter before
the Supreme Court of the United States,

947
00:55:23,657 --> 00:55:28,912
and we learned
that Postal 2 had been retained

948
00:55:28,954 --> 00:55:32,833
as an emblematic title
to defend the cause of video games.

949
00:55:33,041 --> 00:55:36,086
Voice of Justice Elena Kagan:
"The only thing I found

950
00:55:36,086 --> 00:55:39,173
clearly covered
by law was Postal 2."

951
00:55:39,173 --> 00:55:44,887
How would you describe in terms
simple, what is morbid violence?"

952
00:55:44,887 --> 00:55:47,890
Zackery Morazzini's voice:
"Disapprove of torture,

953
00:55:47,931 --> 00:55:50,142
sexual assault,
and these types of violence."

954
00:55:50,142 --> 00:55:54,730
Thank God, the Court
spoke out in favor of Postal 2,

955
00:55:54,855 --> 00:55:58,317
of freedom of expression
and the video game industry.

956
00:55:58,358 --> 00:56:00,485
Thanks to these judges.

957
00:56:02,905 --> 00:56:06,033
This is, however, not
that after its release in Russia,

958
00:56:06,074 --> 00:56:09,244
under the aegis of Akella, that the game
truly enjoyed dazzling success,

959
00:56:09,244 --> 00:56:11,830
achieving impressive sales
and becoming a real phenomenon.

960
00:56:11,830 --> 00:56:14,833
Postal enjoyed a
immense popularity in Russia,

961
00:56:14,875 --> 00:56:17,419
where he sold like children
breads during the holiday season.

962
00:56:19,755 --> 00:56:22,132
We then decided to
go there to meet

963
00:56:22,174 --> 00:56:25,052
officially our partners, visit
their offices and interact with them.

964
00:56:25,052 --> 00:56:26,929
As soon as we left New York,

965
00:56:26,929 --> 00:56:29,348
a young Russian boy approached
from me exclaiming:

966
00:56:29,348 --> 00:56:32,809
“Postal!” Such a scene would not have
never happened in the United States.

967
00:56:32,851 --> 00:56:35,187
I proudly displayed
my Postal t-shirts everywhere.

968
00:56:35,229 --> 00:56:36,647
At trade shows
video game professionals,

969
00:56:36,647 --> 00:56:38,649
it happened that someone recognized us
and say, “Oh, Running With Scissors!”

970
00:56:38,649 --> 00:56:40,359
But never in a
ordinary context.

971
00:56:40,359 --> 00:56:42,653
However, on board our plane, this young
boy identified us immediately.

972
00:56:42,653 --> 00:56:45,030
When we confirmed to him that
we were indeed the creators of the game,

973
00:56:45,072 --> 00:56:46,532
his face lit up.

974
00:56:46,573 --> 00:56:48,617
He rushed to warn his friends,

975
00:56:48,617 --> 00:56:51,495
and we found ourselves at
interact with a group of Russian children,

976
00:56:51,537 --> 00:56:52,788
visibly admirers
of our work.

977
00:56:52,829 --> 00:56:56,416
It was at this moment that we took
awareness of the extent of the phenomenon.

978
00:56:56,458 --> 00:56:59,378
We knew that the
game sold well,

979
00:56:59,378 --> 00:57:01,672
that Postal posters adorned
the walls of many rooms

980
00:57:01,672 --> 00:57:04,383
and that the players wanted to meet
those who had designed their favorite game.

981
00:57:04,383 --> 00:57:06,260
But we never had
truly measured our impact.

982
00:57:06,260 --> 00:57:08,178
I guess it could be me.

983
00:57:15,269 --> 00:57:17,062
We returned
in Russia several times,

984
00:57:17,062 --> 00:57:20,399
and on each trip we passed
hours signing autographs.

985
00:57:20,399 --> 00:57:22,901
We were amazed to see
so many young people queuing for

986
00:57:22,901 --> 00:57:25,404
get our signatures. It was
rewarding, but also disconcerting.

987
00:57:25,404 --> 00:57:28,615
This success set the
bases of collaboration

988
00:57:28,657 --> 00:57:31,869
more in-depth with
Running With Scissors,

989
00:57:31,869 --> 00:57:34,663
far beyond the simple
publisher-developer partnership.

990
00:57:34,663 --> 00:57:37,583
We then have
considered closer cooperation.

991
00:57:37,624 --> 00:57:43,672
Russia turned out to be a country
particularly receptive to our universe.

992
00:57:43,714 --> 00:57:46,091
We knew
our status in the United States

993
00:57:46,091 --> 00:57:48,635
and knew which countries
had forbidden us.

994
00:57:48,635 --> 00:57:51,180
But here, Postal was celebrated.

995
00:57:51,430 --> 00:57:54,224
We therefore undertook
to develop Postal 3

996
00:57:54,266 --> 00:57:57,060
on PC and Xbox 360 in
collaboration with Akella.

997
00:57:58,770 --> 00:58:00,856
Tonight we hear
testimonies from friends paying tribute

998
00:58:00,856 --> 00:58:02,482
to a university student
from Louisville, tragically shot

999
00:58:02,524 --> 00:58:06,403
at the Tim Faulkner Art Gallery, in the
Portland neighborhood last weekend.

1000
00:58:06,403 --> 00:58:07,863
Six people have
were injured by bullets,

1001
00:58:07,863 --> 00:58:11,200
including Savannah Walker, aged
twenty years old, who died on the spot.

1002
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:13,327
Friends told the family that
Savannah had pushed others

1003
00:58:13,368 --> 00:58:15,329
people out of the way
when the shooting started.

1004
00:58:15,412 --> 00:58:18,457
She always passed on the
others before itself.

1005
00:58:18,457 --> 00:58:20,083
Always.

1006
00:58:20,250 --> 00:58:24,254
In his case, pulling
on someone was not taken into account.

1007
00:58:24,296 --> 00:58:25,339
She was fused.

1008
00:58:25,339 --> 00:58:28,759
He was off playing games
video. He then returned home

1009
00:58:28,759 --> 00:58:32,179
him and did not realize that his
parents were perhaps dead.

1010
00:58:32,221 --> 00:58:35,390
New details on
the shooting in Jacksonville, Florida,

1011
00:58:35,432 --> 00:58:37,142
during a video game competition.

1012
00:58:37,142 --> 00:58:39,061
Three dead, including the shooter.

1013
00:58:44,149 --> 00:58:50,072
"I never imagined in all my life
that my son could do such a thing"

1014
00:58:51,114 --> 00:58:54,576
"I just saw someone else
side of the street walking with a gun."

1015
00:58:54,576 --> 00:58:59,581
Questioner: “He wears a long
black coat. He has hair, uh."

1016
00:59:00,082 --> 00:59:02,167
Sender: "In what
direction is he going? Have you seen it?”

1017
00:59:02,251 --> 00:59:04,294
Caller: “Near Dawson University.”

1018
00:59:12,010 --> 00:59:14,721
September 13, 2006.

1019
00:59:14,888 --> 00:59:17,975
It's a Wednesday
afternoon in Montreal.

1020
00:59:18,684 --> 00:59:23,188
Dawson College is a university
which has approximately 8,000 students.

1021
00:59:23,230 --> 00:59:26,233
Outside of campus,
a black car stops.

1022
00:59:26,275 --> 00:59:28,360
A man gets off,
and he sports a haircut

1023
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:30,362
iroquois and door
a long trench coat.

1024
00:59:30,404 --> 00:59:32,364
On his shoulder, a
large black sports bag.

1025
00:59:32,698 --> 00:59:34,324
I was in Montreal that day.

1026
00:59:34,366 --> 00:59:36,827
I gave lectures,
I presented research work.

1027
00:59:36,827 --> 00:59:39,788
I saw the images live.

1028
00:59:40,163 --> 00:59:44,877
A drama was unfolding just
four hundred meters from my hotel.

1029
00:59:44,918 --> 00:59:47,129
A man named Kimveer Gill

1030
00:59:47,421 --> 00:59:51,091
entered Dawson College,
in the heart of Montreal,

1031
00:59:52,301 --> 00:59:53,927
and started shooting.

1032
00:59:54,261 --> 01:00:01,810
Jed Kahane's report
relates to this terrible tragedy

1033
01:00:01,810 --> 01:00:05,606
which we do not know exactly
how many victims are to be deplored.

1034
01:00:05,606 --> 01:00:07,441
We saw him take out his
rifle from his truck.

1035
01:00:07,482 --> 01:00:09,401
We just heard
more shots.

1036
01:00:10,235 --> 01:00:12,321
Police: “There are
seriously injured students."

1037
01:00:12,487 --> 01:00:14,489
Someone got shot
on it right next to me...

1038
01:00:14,531 --> 01:00:16,617
and I entered
a classroom.

1039
01:00:16,658 --> 01:00:18,702
We still heard
and more shooting.

1040
01:00:20,829 --> 01:00:23,790
The shooter was injured in the arm,
and then he ended his life.

1041
01:00:23,790 --> 01:00:29,254
At 12:48 p.m., Anastasia De Sousa,
18 years old, was killed during the carnage.

1042
01:00:29,296 --> 01:00:34,343
And 19 other people were
injured on September 13, 2006.

1043
01:00:37,513 --> 01:00:41,141
As in many other shootings
in a school environment, the shooter is dead.

1044
01:00:41,183 --> 01:00:44,853
Therefore, it is impossible to
question him later

1045
01:00:44,895 --> 01:00:49,024
to understand how he
came to this, which inspired him.

1046
01:00:49,274 --> 01:00:52,611
What we have, however, are
hundreds of pages of posts

1047
01:00:52,653 --> 01:00:56,865
on a site called
Vampirefreaks.com.

1048
01:00:57,407 --> 01:01:00,327
A site specially designed
for goth culture.

1049
01:01:00,869 --> 01:01:03,038
It was about goth music,

1050
01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:06,375
goth clothing, what they
love what they hate.

1051
01:01:06,375 --> 01:01:11,755
Which made it a little different from
other social networks of the time,

1052
01:01:11,755 --> 01:01:15,342
that was his ranking system.
People could give you

1053
01:01:15,342 --> 01:01:18,804
points based on your
blackness and edge level.

1054
01:01:18,846 --> 01:01:22,140
It was a system
gamified that rewarded you

1055
01:01:22,140 --> 01:01:24,476
if you were one
“edgelord” accomplished.

1056
01:01:24,518 --> 01:01:26,854
If you had a vibe
dark and menacing.

1057
01:01:27,187 --> 01:01:29,064
“It was weird. Because
than usual, I

1058
01:01:29,106 --> 01:01:31,024
have dreams where
people are murdered."

1059
01:01:31,900 --> 01:01:36,613
Goths are generally
cool and peaceful people.

1060
01:01:37,447 --> 01:01:39,575
But as in any movement,

1061
01:01:39,616 --> 01:01:44,037
there is a fringe
violent and extreme.

1062
01:01:44,454 --> 01:01:46,540
Kimveer Gill was doing
part of this fringe.

1063
01:01:46,748 --> 01:01:50,085
He was extremely violent.

1064
01:01:53,589 --> 01:01:55,924
So who was Kimveer Gill

1065
01:01:55,924 --> 01:01:58,093
and how did we get there?

1066
01:02:00,929 --> 01:02:02,347
Kimveer was a loner.

1067
01:02:02,681 --> 01:02:06,768
He lived in the basement
from his parents, he did not work,

1068
01:02:07,603 --> 01:02:09,938
and his world was virtual.

1069
01:02:11,023 --> 01:02:12,983
He wasn't very sociable.

1070
01:02:14,151 --> 01:02:16,904
He said he
hated people.

1071
01:02:19,573 --> 01:02:20,824
And he played video games.

1072
01:02:20,824 --> 01:02:24,828
Kimveer Gill was a
big fan of Postal.

1073
01:02:27,956 --> 01:02:32,794
Did Postal push him to
a school shooting?

1074
01:02:32,794 --> 01:02:37,799
Just as much as any
something else he said he loved.

1075
01:02:37,841 --> 01:02:40,385
He loved Metallica.
He loved Marilyn Manson.

1076
01:02:40,427 --> 01:02:45,891
To what extent have these things
played a role in his action?

1077
01:02:46,391 --> 01:02:51,230
I fear every day
my son, for his friends.

1078
01:02:51,647 --> 01:02:56,527
They play these video games,
and the way they talk to each other...

1079
01:02:56,527 --> 01:02:57,945
you know… “Oh, you got me!”

1080
01:02:58,028 --> 01:02:59,780
Then they turn around and
they kill them all.

1081
01:02:59,821 --> 01:03:01,990
They say… “Ah! We’re going to restart
and we’ll play again later!”

1082
01:03:02,074 --> 01:03:04,201
To me, it's disgusting.

1083
01:03:04,243 --> 01:03:08,539
And that makes me think that they
become completely desensitized

1084
01:03:08,539 --> 01:03:12,501
what does it mean
actually in the real world.

1085
01:03:12,543 --> 01:03:16,547
Because millions
people play violent games.

1086
01:03:16,588 --> 01:03:22,511
But if you're predisposed to violence
and you harbor violent thoughts...

1087
01:03:22,511 --> 01:03:27,683
There may come a time when some of
these people actually take action.

1088
01:03:27,683 --> 01:03:31,520
The game becomes a
part of their reality.

1089
01:03:31,562 --> 01:03:34,314
My son can stay on a game
video for 6 hours a day.

1090
01:03:34,356 --> 01:03:38,277
I don't see how
do this for 6 hours

1091
01:03:38,318 --> 01:03:41,655
cannot have an impact
on you one way or another.

1092
01:03:41,697 --> 01:03:46,076
And when you're 7, 8, 9 years old,
or even younger,

1093
01:03:46,076 --> 01:03:49,913
it must necessarily
have a mental effect.

1094
01:03:49,955 --> 01:03:53,750
And unfortunately, we
sees these effects until much later.

1095
01:03:53,792 --> 01:03:56,378
They really become,
really desensitized to

1096
01:03:56,378 --> 01:03:58,463
what could really
happening in the world.

1097
01:03:58,547 --> 01:04:02,509
The violence, the realism that we
found in games and movies…

1098
01:04:02,551 --> 01:04:06,805
The corrosive influence of a
world turned towards violence.

1099
01:04:06,805 --> 01:04:09,308
Usually, Postal is
mentioned by politicians

1100
01:04:09,349 --> 01:04:10,642
when there is a school shooting

1101
01:04:10,684 --> 01:04:14,229
because it's simpler than
talk about guns, mental health,

1102
01:04:14,229 --> 01:04:17,357
harassment or
of an individual situation.

1103
01:04:17,357 --> 01:04:19,943
“The games are
rated M for mature.

1104
01:04:20,027 --> 01:04:23,155
Which means that the stores are not
not supposed to sell to under 17s.”

1105
01:04:23,155 --> 01:04:26,283
Why are kids today

1106
01:04:26,283 --> 01:04:28,785
do they come to violence
to resolve their conflicts?

1107
01:04:28,785 --> 01:04:32,831
It's completely beyond me,

1108
01:04:32,831 --> 01:04:36,752
how is this possible and why
it still continues today.

1109
01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:39,087
Like many others
elements of pop culture,

1110
01:04:39,087 --> 01:04:42,674
he's a scapegoat
easy for politicians.

1111
01:04:42,674 --> 01:04:47,596
We can blame a video game
which contains a school shooting.

1112
01:04:52,184 --> 01:04:55,187
He was a human being
complicated who used a website

1113
01:04:55,187 --> 01:05:01,360
to share many things
which he found dangerous and frightening.

1114
01:05:03,153 --> 01:05:05,489
All stakeholders involved

1115
01:05:05,531 --> 01:05:09,076
are responsible
consequences.

1116
01:05:09,159 --> 01:05:11,370
It shouldn't
be in Vince Desi

1117
01:05:11,411 --> 01:05:14,665
to have to find yourself in front
a camera and to apologize.

1118
01:05:14,706 --> 01:05:19,336
He wasn't the one who did this, and
guy didn't just like Postal.

1119
01:05:19,336 --> 01:05:23,215
He loved thousands of things and
spoke about it at length on his blog.

1120
01:05:23,215 --> 01:05:26,593
Postal is in, but Postal
is in it for this person,

1121
01:05:26,593 --> 01:05:29,054
that's not what he
was in its entirety.

1122
01:05:30,180 --> 01:05:35,060
There are great similarities between
the “Dude” of Postal and Kimveer Gill.

1123
01:05:35,519 --> 01:05:38,939
It's hard not to
see the resemblance here.

1124
01:05:38,981 --> 01:05:41,149
They are dressed exactly
in the same way.

1125
01:05:41,149 --> 01:05:43,068
Combat boots.

1126
01:05:43,110 --> 01:05:44,695
The slim silhouette,

1127
01:05:44,736 --> 01:05:46,113
holding a weapon.

1128
01:05:46,154 --> 01:05:47,656
The big jacket.

1129
01:05:47,698 --> 01:05:51,869
It's a shame that it's
a pretty clear line from him

1130
01:05:51,910 --> 01:05:56,290
being a fan of this until the
way he chose to act.

1131
01:06:02,045 --> 01:06:03,422
In his blog,

1132
01:06:03,422 --> 01:06:08,927
Gill describes what he expected
of a sequel to Postal 2, and I quote,

1133
01:06:09,386 --> 01:06:11,930
“There should be more to do

1134
01:06:11,930 --> 01:06:15,017
than just killing people for no reason.

1135
01:06:15,684 --> 01:06:18,770
You need a scenario and
a good story.”

1136
01:06:19,688 --> 01:06:23,400
Gill reflected on his feelings at
about the video game character

1137
01:06:23,442 --> 01:06:25,944
saying, and it's a
another quote from Gill,

1138
01:06:26,445 --> 01:06:31,241
“Postal Dude was sad before
to become angry and psychotic.

1139
01:06:31,783 --> 01:06:34,494
This is the part that we
never seen in the game.

1140
01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:41,418
He was normal, but the world
made him what he became.”

1141
01:06:42,211 --> 01:06:45,130
A bit like Gill himself.

1142
01:07:00,938 --> 01:07:04,233
According to the report's studies
Gitnux Market Data 2024

1143
01:07:04,233 --> 01:07:06,860
Play video games
violent increases the likelihood

1144
01:07:06,902 --> 01:07:09,154
of behaviors
aggressive by around 10 to 20%

1145
01:07:09,363 --> 01:07:15,494
And 80% of the most popular video games
include some form of violent content

1146
01:07:18,956 --> 01:07:21,416
A normal guy is
about to discover...

1147
01:07:22,209 --> 01:07:23,627
two sinister plots.

1148
01:07:23,627 --> 01:07:25,087
“Today we
let’s do God’s work.”

1149
01:07:25,128 --> 01:07:27,714
“We will carry
a blow to America.”

1150
01:07:29,007 --> 01:07:31,176
Everyone should buy my book.

1151
01:07:31,176 --> 01:07:34,596
“How to fire a
employed without driving him crazy.”

1152
01:07:35,013 --> 01:07:39,768
At first we received an email
from a Uwe Boll fan site.

1153
01:07:40,394 --> 01:07:43,313
This kid was a huge Uwe fan
Boll, a German kid, and he said,

1154
01:07:43,313 --> 01:07:45,315
“Hey, man, I’m friends with Uwe!

1155
01:07:45,315 --> 01:07:47,317
Uh, we want him
make a Postal film.

1156
01:07:47,317 --> 01:07:50,404
What do you think? He’s interested.”
blah, blah, blah

1157
01:07:50,404 --> 01:07:54,950
And, you know, I knew
good job at the time.

1158
01:07:54,950 --> 01:07:57,870
"Alone in the Dark"
and “House of the Dead”

1159
01:07:57,911 --> 01:08:00,622
and so I deleted the email.

1160
01:08:01,415 --> 01:08:04,209
A few more weeks
Later, we received another email.

1161
01:08:05,210 --> 01:08:08,589
The more we talked about it, the more
it became, well,

1162
01:08:08,589 --> 01:08:10,841
we do a certain
type of product,

1163
01:08:10,841 --> 01:08:12,509
we know that this
is not the best.

1164
01:08:12,509 --> 01:08:14,344
In fact, we could call it
worst game ever.

1165
01:08:14,386 --> 01:08:17,930
His reputation was to be, you
know, the worst director in Hollywood,

1166
01:08:17,930 --> 01:08:18,640
that kind of reputation.

1167
01:08:18,682 --> 01:08:20,809
If anyone were to
make the Postal film,

1168
01:08:20,850 --> 01:08:23,854
as much as it is the one who
makes the worst video game movies.

1169
01:08:23,895 --> 01:08:26,814
And I thought, well,
it's perfect for us.

1170
01:08:26,814 --> 01:08:29,943
“There are other villains
in the video game industry,

1171
01:08:30,027 --> 01:08:31,944
there are other people to hate”

1172
01:08:31,944 --> 01:08:33,613
“Uwe Boll!”

1173
01:08:33,613 --> 01:08:38,535
Okay, look, Uwe challenged the
director Michael Bay in the ring.

1174
01:08:38,577 --> 01:08:41,330
-What would you do to him?
-Hi, Michael

1175
01:08:41,371 --> 01:08:42,747
No, I would say...

1176
01:08:43,497 --> 01:08:47,586
Obviously there are people on the Internet
who are not fans of your films.

1177
01:08:47,627 --> 01:08:50,214
And if you look at Rotten Tomatoes, the
Critics aren't fans either.

1178
01:08:50,255 --> 01:08:51,298
Kiss my ass.

1179
01:08:51,340 --> 01:08:54,051
You know, there are people
who launch petitions

1180
01:08:54,091 --> 01:08:55,886
against the fact that you realize
films based on

1181
01:08:55,886 --> 01:08:58,596
video games. The fight was
completely unbalanced. Some have

1182
01:08:58,639 --> 01:09:01,600
speculated that the amateur experience of
Boll in boxing, which has lasted for ten years,

1183
01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:03,435
gave him an unfair advantage.

1184
01:09:03,477 --> 01:09:07,064
The American public will have the opportunity to
see his films whether they like it or not.

1185
01:09:07,104 --> 01:09:10,317
Proving that Uwe Boll is a
a force more inevitable than death.

1186
01:09:11,859 --> 01:09:15,404
I'm the only genius in
this whole damn job, Goodbye.

1187
01:09:23,080 --> 01:09:26,959
My name is Uwe Boll and I
am the director of the film Postal.

1188
01:09:27,501 --> 01:09:28,669
Really ?

1189
01:09:28,961 --> 01:09:30,837
Oh damn, that’s awesome man.

1190
01:09:32,923 --> 01:09:35,050
What is your
what the hell is the problem?

1191
01:09:35,050 --> 01:09:37,094
A company is
came to me and said,

1192
01:09:37,094 --> 01:09:39,763
we have the rights to the game
"House of the Dead" video.

1193
01:09:39,805 --> 01:09:43,100
What you know
perhaps arcades.

1194
01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:45,935
And I said, yeah, I
know House of the Dead.

1195
01:09:45,978 --> 01:09:47,688
I've played it several times.

1196
01:09:47,729 --> 01:09:49,857
So we made the film
“House of the Dead.”

1197
01:09:51,692 --> 01:09:55,153
It got terrible reviews
and everyone hated me for it,

1198
01:09:55,195 --> 01:09:58,532
but he actually reported not
bad money all over the world.

1199
01:09:58,574 --> 01:10:04,079
So I kept realizing
movies based on video games.

1200
01:10:04,079 --> 01:10:08,250
This fan club said, you should
make a movie from this game.

1201
01:10:08,292 --> 01:10:10,961
So I dove in
inside, I watched Postal

1202
01:10:11,044 --> 01:10:15,090
and I found this
extremely violent,

1203
01:10:15,090 --> 01:10:16,550
funny,

1204
01:10:17,134 --> 01:10:19,136
crazy,

1205
01:10:20,095 --> 01:10:21,638
stupid.

1206
01:10:21,680 --> 01:10:23,891
Oh my God, I am
that fucking tramp!

1207
01:10:23,932 --> 01:10:25,184
Lousy.

1208
01:10:27,853 --> 01:10:29,855
So I loved it.

1209
01:10:29,855 --> 01:10:33,275
He invited me to
Vancouver where he lived,

1210
01:10:33,317 --> 01:10:35,194
and he made all his films.

1211
01:10:35,194 --> 01:10:36,945
He's a great guy in person.

1212
01:10:37,446 --> 01:10:40,157
And then we decided to
put a deal in place.

1213
01:10:40,199 --> 01:10:41,742
We started talking about it...

1214
01:10:41,742 --> 01:10:46,330
And to put in place what we considered
like our treatment of the film Postal.

1215
01:10:46,371 --> 01:10:49,041
It was very violent,
like “Taxi Driver”.

1216
01:10:49,082 --> 01:10:50,792
I told myself no,
no, no, no, no.

1217
01:10:50,792 --> 01:10:54,630
That would make it too much
cheap in a way.

1218
01:10:54,671 --> 01:10:56,215
"You know, there is
all these rumors

1219
01:10:56,298 --> 01:10:58,550
like what my films are
financed with Nazi gold

1220
01:10:58,550 --> 01:10:59,551
and what should I say?”

1221
01:10:59,551 --> 01:11:00,677
“It’s true!”

1222
01:11:00,719 --> 01:11:02,054
Our treatment of the Postal film

1223
01:11:02,095 --> 01:11:06,725
was the exact opposite of
what finally came out.

1224
01:11:06,767 --> 01:11:07,809
“Did you know that?”

1225
01:11:07,851 --> 01:11:09,436
"No, I didn't have any
I have no fucking idea!”

1226
01:11:09,478 --> 01:11:10,812
But hey, it was a fun story.

1227
01:11:10,812 --> 01:11:12,314
It has to do with
Krotchy doll.

1228
01:11:12,314 --> 01:11:15,192
You know, he had Verne Troyer,
who was Mini-Me in the movie,

1229
01:11:15,234 --> 01:11:18,111
and it was really great
to work with him.

1230
01:11:18,153 --> 01:11:23,534
Dan Clark, the executive producer and
producer, and I went to L.A.

1231
01:11:23,534 --> 01:11:28,288
So we hired Morman Boling
Casting, two young girls, basically…

1232
01:11:28,288 --> 01:11:33,418
I should say they started
in a small kind of shed. Yeah.

1233
01:11:33,418 --> 01:11:36,755
And they went to invite people
to audition for us.

1234
01:11:36,755 --> 01:11:39,091
So we were in L.A.
in a small shed,

1235
01:11:39,132 --> 01:11:41,927
and people came in
and went out, did

1236
01:11:41,927 --> 01:11:45,222
their readings. But
then Zack Ward arrived.

1237
01:11:46,807 --> 01:11:48,183
I remember,

1238
01:11:48,225 --> 01:11:51,103
I literally see it in
my head right now.

1239
01:11:51,812 --> 01:11:55,649
The hearing room
was pretty shitty,

1240
01:11:55,691 --> 01:11:57,734
and I remember that he
was about noon,

1241
01:11:57,734 --> 01:11:59,695
a very hot day, and there
had no air conditioning.

1242
01:11:59,736 --> 01:12:01,572
It's a real dump.

1243
01:12:02,322 --> 01:12:05,325
And I think I was passing
an audition for another role.

1244
01:12:05,325 --> 01:12:07,244
Not even for Postal Dude.

1245
01:12:07,286 --> 01:12:10,956
He passed for
a police role,

1246
01:12:10,956 --> 01:12:12,124
and after he left,

1247
01:12:12,165 --> 01:12:17,171
we looked at each other, Dan and I, we
thought, no, he's the Postal Dude.

1248
01:12:17,212 --> 01:12:18,255
And it was super exciting.

1249
01:12:18,255 --> 01:12:20,549
It was huge. You know,
land a leading role

1250
01:12:20,549 --> 01:12:22,759
in a film, it's
really a big, big deal.

1251
01:12:22,801 --> 01:12:24,386
“Who writes this shit?”

1252
01:12:24,386 --> 01:12:27,806
“No soup for you!”

1253
01:12:27,848 --> 01:12:29,516
“Come back in a year!”

1254
01:12:29,558 --> 01:12:32,895
I was reading the script on a train
direction of a charity event

1255
01:12:32,895 --> 01:12:36,190
in Santa Barbara, and I was laughing
so loud that people stared at me.

1256
01:12:36,190 --> 01:12:38,317
The character
principal, the Postal Dude.

1257
01:12:38,317 --> 01:12:40,485
He's not wrong.

1258
01:12:40,944 --> 01:12:42,863
What is your problem?

1259
01:12:42,863 --> 01:12:44,656
People are just idiots.

1260
01:12:44,656 --> 01:12:46,283
He is frustrated by this,

1261
01:12:46,283 --> 01:12:50,412
and he attacks a society
who believes his own propaganda.

1262
01:12:50,412 --> 01:12:53,540
So yeah, that was
really attractive in the script.

1263
01:12:53,540 --> 01:12:57,461
I didn't see it as a film
shocking or with cheap humor.

1264
01:12:57,794 --> 01:13:01,298
"The American dream,
This is not a dream for you.”

1265
01:13:01,298 --> 01:13:06,345
I really saw the potential
of great social satire.

1266
01:13:06,428 --> 01:13:09,973
“Actually, it’s a nightmare!”

1267
01:13:09,973 --> 01:13:13,560
I didn't know anything about
Uwe's reputation.

1268
01:13:13,602 --> 01:13:16,146
I didn't know
that it was controversial.

1269
01:13:16,146 --> 01:13:21,735
I didn't know he was going to fight
with his people, who criticized his films.

1270
01:13:23,695 --> 01:13:26,031
We have a great opportunity

1271
01:13:26,031 --> 01:13:29,743
to show the madness of
world in which we live,

1272
01:13:29,785 --> 01:13:34,665
by bringing back Bin Laden
and Bush, September 11.

1273
01:13:34,665 --> 01:13:36,208
"Okay. Send me an email."

1274
01:13:36,208 --> 01:13:39,086
"Tell me what pipe you're talking about and I'll
blow it up to Mecca..."

1275
01:13:39,127 --> 01:13:40,379
The Taliban.

1276
01:13:40,587 --> 01:13:42,631
“Bird flu.”

1277
01:13:42,673 --> 01:13:45,467
And we read it like a scene
of September 11 on paper,

1278
01:13:45,509 --> 01:13:47,386
and it's just not funny.

1279
01:13:47,469 --> 01:13:49,596
We are in the process
to laugh or what?!

1280
01:13:49,596 --> 01:13:52,558
We're really going to open
probably one of the most popular films

1281
01:13:52,599 --> 01:13:56,186
offensive of all time with
worst joke ever?

1282
01:13:58,939 --> 01:14:02,568
And the opening scene
don't make any jokes

1283
01:14:02,568 --> 01:14:06,196
on the victims of September 11.

1284
01:14:06,738 --> 01:14:08,615
But there just wasn't
way to convince him.

1285
01:14:08,615 --> 01:14:10,033
It just wasn't possible.

1286
01:14:10,075 --> 01:14:15,664
This opening scene
makes fun of the 99 virgins.

1287
01:14:16,331 --> 01:14:17,916
“I thought it was 100?”

1288
01:14:17,958 --> 01:14:19,168
"It's what ?"

1289
01:14:19,209 --> 01:14:21,503
"100 virgins, they
promised me 100."

1290
01:14:21,503 --> 01:14:24,756
"No one wants to die now
unless you have virgins!”

1291
01:14:24,798 --> 01:14:27,384
And at that moment, we realize a little
that, well, this is not our project…

1292
01:14:27,426 --> 01:14:29,261
There weren't many films
video games that were happening,

1293
01:14:29,303 --> 01:14:31,054
and we were happy
to be part of it.

1294
01:14:31,054 --> 01:14:33,015
Not to mention the fact that
it was going to cost around

1295
01:14:33,056 --> 01:14:34,850
20 million dollars
to make this film.

1296
01:14:34,850 --> 01:14:36,018
And there we say to ourselves…

1297
01:14:36,059 --> 01:14:38,437
“Yeah, I don’t have any money.”

1298
01:14:38,437 --> 01:14:40,439
This is much higher than
all our gaming budgets.

1299
01:14:40,522 --> 01:14:42,482
So something
cool is going to happen here.

1300
01:14:44,776 --> 01:14:46,320
In my head,

1301
01:14:46,361 --> 01:14:49,406
he is filming like a
group of kids making a high school movie.

1302
01:14:49,406 --> 01:14:52,201
The decorations are made of cardboard and
you can just knock them down.

1303
01:14:57,581 --> 01:14:58,707
This is a legitimate production.

1304
01:14:58,707 --> 01:15:01,126
I mean, there are
fucking cast trailers.

1305
01:15:01,168 --> 01:15:04,254
There is a tent for
food and drinks.

1306
01:15:04,296 --> 01:15:07,799
There are cameras
galore, chairs…

1307
01:15:07,799 --> 01:15:11,220
I mean, for us it was another
world, to see this shit go down.

1308
01:15:11,261 --> 01:15:14,097
We said to ourselves, wow, that
could really be great.

1309
01:15:14,097 --> 01:15:16,016
Filming was a real pleasure.

1310
01:15:16,058 --> 01:15:20,771
Uwe was up for all
the suggestions that were thrown at him.

1311
01:15:20,771 --> 01:15:23,106
Touring with Uwe,
it was an adventure.

1312
01:15:27,027 --> 01:15:29,821
My first day
on the Postal plateau,

1313
01:15:29,863 --> 01:15:33,867
it was the one where I had to shoot with a
cannon from the back of a Mustang.

1314
01:15:33,909 --> 01:15:37,579
While I was preparing for this,
they were setting fire to

1315
01:15:37,621 --> 01:15:41,291
a man. I knew I was involved
into something downright crazy.

1316
01:15:41,333 --> 01:15:43,710
“Bring on the monkeys!”

1317
01:15:43,752 --> 01:15:45,629
When you meet
Uwe Boll for the first time,

1318
01:15:45,629 --> 01:15:48,048
he's a bit of a weird guy.

1319
01:15:48,090 --> 01:15:52,094
Uwe was there, sitting on a
director's chair, like this one.

1320
01:15:52,135 --> 01:15:54,930
He had a computer
laptop in front of him.

1321
01:15:54,972 --> 01:16:00,936
He spoke to Germany, either via
the computer, or on the telephone,

1322
01:16:00,978 --> 01:16:03,522
and he had one or two
dogs on his lap.

1323
01:16:03,522 --> 01:16:05,941
And these little dogs
were big dogs

1324
01:16:05,941 --> 01:16:10,779
that he had found in
Romania and whom he had adopted.

1325
01:16:10,779 --> 01:16:13,365
Which is great, and it's
adorable. But here’s the part…

1326
01:16:13,407 --> 01:16:16,285
“Yes, go ahead, do it
again, but faster!”

1327
01:16:16,285 --> 01:16:18,412
“No, not too
slowly, I want faster!”

1328
01:16:18,412 --> 01:16:19,413
"Okay, go ahead."

1329
01:16:19,454 --> 01:16:23,542
He was producing the next film
while he was directing this one.

1330
01:16:23,584 --> 01:16:25,836
You have to know
order a tray.

1331
01:16:25,878 --> 01:16:27,296
And Uwe does it very well.

1332
01:16:27,337 --> 01:16:29,965
With the accent, and the shepherds
Germans running everywhere,

1333
01:16:30,007 --> 01:16:31,508
It makes you really uncomfortable.

1334
01:16:31,550 --> 01:16:34,261
The team was looking forward to
see the rushes every day.

1335
01:16:34,303 --> 01:16:37,306
So the team came to my "village
video" and said

1336
01:16:37,347 --> 01:16:38,724
“Show us the rushes!”

1337
01:16:38,724 --> 01:16:41,643
And they laughed like
crazy and the actors too.

1338
01:16:41,643 --> 01:16:44,646
As you know, in Little
Germany, I played my own role.

1339
01:16:44,646 --> 01:16:46,273
For my role, which was small,

1340
01:16:46,315 --> 01:16:50,527
I played the character of
Krotchy in the big suit.

1341
01:16:50,569 --> 01:16:53,822
But when I saw the script, I told him
said, look, I don't talk like that.

1342
01:16:53,822 --> 01:16:54,948
It's not me.

1343
01:16:54,948 --> 01:16:56,200
But he really was
cool with that.

1344
01:16:56,200 --> 01:16:58,076
He said, No, it's
OK, say what you want.

1345
01:16:58,118 --> 01:16:59,620
My scene is like, I
am on stage with them,

1346
01:16:59,620 --> 01:17:01,955
and I tear my head
from the Krotchy costume

1347
01:17:01,955 --> 01:17:05,667
"Boll, I'm Vince Desi...What
What are you doing with my Postal game?"

1348
01:17:05,709 --> 01:17:07,377
"I don't know what
your fucking problem.”

1349
01:17:07,419 --> 01:17:08,545
“The movie is great!”

1350
01:17:08,587 --> 01:17:12,132
Then we start fighting and
I finally get shot.

1351
01:17:13,300 --> 01:17:17,221
One of the days I was on the
tray. I arrived during the week

1352
01:17:17,221 --> 01:17:19,723
after Vince turned
in the town of Little Germany,

1353
01:17:19,723 --> 01:17:21,517
which, you know, I
take it with humor,

1354
01:17:21,517 --> 01:17:28,023
but this area was filled
of Nazi paraphernalia and jokes.

1355
01:17:28,023 --> 01:17:30,234
No matter...it's
just for fun.

1356
01:17:33,779 --> 01:17:36,406
One of our particularities in
as a company has always been,

1357
01:17:36,448 --> 01:17:37,699
we just don't touch
not to children.

1358
01:17:37,699 --> 01:17:40,577
It's just one of our
rules, we don't touch that

1359
01:17:40,619 --> 01:17:44,831
and he (Uwe) clearly did not
not the same opinion.

1360
01:17:44,873 --> 01:17:50,379
There were parents with their
children lined up in front of Little Germany

1361
01:17:50,420 --> 01:17:54,550
to equip them with
squibs and film them.

1362
01:17:54,591 --> 01:17:57,302
And I remember
that its, I don't know,

1363
01:17:57,302 --> 01:17:59,388
maybe it was his assistant
director or his producer

1364
01:17:59,388 --> 01:18:02,182
told him one day,
“Hey, Uwe… Um…”

1365
01:18:02,224 --> 01:18:03,976
“Filming children is no fun.”

1366
01:18:04,351 --> 01:18:05,894
And Uwe's response was:

1367
01:18:05,894 --> 01:18:07,855
"Yes, filming
kids, it's not funny."

1368
01:18:07,855 --> 01:18:11,817
"But if you film a bunch of kids at
slow down and edit with it,

1369
01:18:11,817 --> 01:18:13,235
It’s hilarious.”

1370
01:18:13,235 --> 01:18:18,073
And everyone in the room looked
and was like "What the fuck, man?"

1371
01:18:18,532 --> 01:18:21,869
When I saw the montage of
movie, I turned green.

1372
01:18:21,869 --> 01:18:25,581
And then at the first screening,
it was the surprise of a lifetime.

1373
01:18:26,039 --> 01:18:27,624
I wasn't happy at all.

1374
01:18:28,041 --> 01:18:31,128
It was good, it was funny,
but we said to ourselves, it's too long.

1375
01:18:31,837 --> 01:18:34,631
It's about 110 or 112 minutes.

1376
01:18:34,631 --> 01:18:37,217
I would easily have
cut 10 minutes.

1377
01:18:37,634 --> 01:18:41,221
I don't know if I've ever seen
a project change at this point

1378
01:18:41,597 --> 01:18:45,058
of what you filmed at some point
something completely different.

1379
01:18:45,100 --> 01:18:46,852
I received the cut of the film

1380
01:18:46,894 --> 01:18:51,481
and I asked Uwe if I could
give some assembly suggestions

1381
01:18:51,481 --> 01:18:53,984
and Uwe replied "Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Go ahead, do it.”

1382
01:18:53,984 --> 01:18:58,530
At the time, I didn't know how to ride,
so I hired an editor over Christmas

1383
01:18:58,530 --> 01:18:59,948
to try to reassemble the film

1384
01:18:59,948 --> 01:19:03,202
to make the jokes work
better and the timing makes sense.

1385
01:19:03,243 --> 01:19:06,121
I wrote 12 pages of notes.

1386
01:19:06,163 --> 01:19:08,916
No fucking note
was not taken into account.

1387
01:19:08,957 --> 01:19:10,667
We didn't really care.

1388
01:19:10,667 --> 01:19:12,711
It was just a loss
time for me.

1389
01:19:13,962 --> 01:19:18,675
It suddenly became like this
toilet humor film, shocking,

1390
01:19:18,717 --> 01:19:23,889
instead of great social satire
that I had seen and read in the script.

1391
01:19:23,931 --> 01:19:27,601
Not only that the
filming was great, but also

1392
01:19:27,601 --> 01:19:31,230
that the result is correct...
It's totally incredible.

1393
01:19:31,271 --> 01:19:34,483
This is the best film based
about a video game never made.

1394
01:19:35,317 --> 01:19:40,822
The company that managed the
release was actually Universal.

1395
01:19:40,864 --> 01:19:42,449
Universal had a division called

1396
01:19:42,491 --> 01:19:45,744
Vivendi Home Entertainment, and it was
a little their independent department,

1397
01:19:45,786 --> 01:19:47,204
and at the time they had two films.

1398
01:19:47,246 --> 01:19:50,499
They had "Postal" and
“In the Name of the King.”

1399
01:19:50,958 --> 01:19:52,709
This is real rubbish.

1400
01:19:52,751 --> 01:19:56,046
Some real glowing shit.

1401
01:19:56,630 --> 01:19:59,424
Oh my god, it's
really a piece of crap.

1402
01:19:59,424 --> 01:20:00,884
It cost 60
million dollars.

1403
01:20:00,884 --> 01:20:05,347
There was Ray Liotta, Jason Statham,
Leelee Sobieski, Ron Perlman,

1404
01:20:05,347 --> 01:20:07,099
in short, a huge cast.

1405
01:20:07,140 --> 01:20:08,892
But they were burning trash.

1406
01:20:08,892 --> 01:20:10,102
It's the weirdest movie.

1407
01:20:10,143 --> 01:20:13,856
No one has a consistent accent.
You don't even know where they come from.

1408
01:20:13,856 --> 01:20:15,649
There is one who says,
“Hello, my Lord!”

1409
01:20:15,691 --> 01:20:16,900
And he responds, “Yeah, are you okay?”

1410
01:20:16,942 --> 01:20:18,777
And here you are, like,
what… what!?

1411
01:20:18,777 --> 01:20:22,781
“This kingdom consumes
men like beasts”

1412
01:20:22,823 --> 01:20:25,909
“Give me the chicken!”

1413
01:20:25,909 --> 01:20:29,580
This is a direct quote.
I said, “If you go out

1414
01:20:29,580 --> 01:20:33,250
In the Name of the King before
Postal, Postal will never come out.”

1415
01:20:33,250 --> 01:20:37,963
He released three big flops
at the cinema at that time.

1416
01:20:38,046 --> 01:20:41,258
We only have a limited number
opportunities for success

1417
01:20:41,258 --> 01:20:43,677
and “In the Name of The King”
went out with

1418
01:20:43,677 --> 01:20:46,430
a big release of
more than two thousand screens.

1419
01:20:46,471 --> 01:20:49,391
We, as a team, are finished
by going to see it at the cinema.

1420
01:20:49,433 --> 01:20:51,518
But we were there,
watch this while crying,

1421
01:20:51,560 --> 01:20:55,898
because we saw the chances
of our own film to come out, die.

1422
01:20:55,939 --> 01:20:58,859
So it cost 60
million dollars,

1423
01:20:58,901 --> 01:21:01,862
a ton of money
spent on marketing.

1424
01:21:01,904 --> 01:21:04,406
There was no more left
nothing for Postal.

1425
01:21:05,199 --> 01:21:06,742
Fuck Postal.

1426
01:21:06,783 --> 01:21:08,869
I'm almost sure
than what the studio did.

1427
01:21:10,204 --> 01:21:13,582
The plan was to release it
on fifteen hundred screens

1428
01:21:13,582 --> 01:21:15,292
and in the end we had like 20,

1429
01:21:15,292 --> 01:21:18,295
because all operators
refused to screen the film.

1430
01:21:19,046 --> 01:21:22,132
There was a huge
DVD pre-order for Postal.

1431
01:21:22,174 --> 01:21:26,094
There was something like an exit
on a thousand screens that was supposed to happen

1432
01:21:26,136 --> 01:21:27,846
and after the failure of
"In the Name of the King",

1433
01:21:27,846 --> 01:21:31,808
all room buyers and
all the DVD buyers were saying,

1434
01:21:32,476 --> 01:21:33,477
“Goodbye!”

1435
01:21:33,936 --> 01:21:35,354
I still don't understand

1436
01:21:35,395 --> 01:21:39,399
how were journalists able to
write negative things on Postal?

1437
01:21:39,441 --> 01:21:41,151
I still understand
not… are they blind?

1438
01:21:41,193 --> 01:21:43,779
They have no idea
what is a good film?

1439
01:21:43,820 --> 01:21:46,198
Honestly, I
mean, it's crazy.

1440
01:21:46,198 --> 01:21:49,618
I think it's one of the best
political satires ever made.

1441
01:21:49,660 --> 01:21:52,120
“Now some of you
ask, does crystal meth

1442
01:21:52,120 --> 01:21:55,582
is illegal?
Technically yes, but the US Air Force

1443
01:21:55,624 --> 01:21:57,876
uses it to power their pilots

1444
01:21:57,876 --> 01:21:59,711
when they are on the mission of
night over Afghanistan.”

1445
01:21:59,753 --> 01:22:02,297
Shit ! Why Postal
can't break through?

1446
01:22:02,339 --> 01:22:04,508
Why do we
can't just get out

1447
01:22:04,550 --> 01:22:06,718
something that
gives notoriety?

1448
01:22:06,760 --> 01:22:10,264
For us, it was a bit
one of these decisive projects,

1449
01:22:10,347 --> 01:22:12,558
the one who was going to be projected
in all cinemas.

1450
01:22:12,599 --> 01:22:15,310
It's going to have DVDs
in all departments.

1451
01:22:15,352 --> 01:22:22,776
And it just ended up being a
another setback in the history of Postal.

1452
01:22:22,776 --> 01:22:25,487
The entire Postal process…

1453
01:22:25,529 --> 01:22:26,780
Shoot the film,

1454
01:22:26,822 --> 01:22:28,907
it was the period
happiest in my life.

1455
01:22:28,907 --> 01:22:30,033
I really have to say it.

1456
01:22:30,033 --> 01:22:31,827
It was the best
shoot I've ever had.

1457
01:22:31,827 --> 01:22:35,956
And every day,
I came to the set super motivated.

1458
01:22:36,248 --> 01:22:39,626
Among all the movie experiences
adapted from video games that I had,

1459
01:22:39,668 --> 01:22:41,253
Postal is number one.

1460
01:22:41,253 --> 01:22:42,337
It was great.

1461
01:22:42,337 --> 01:22:43,922
It took risks.

1462
01:22:43,922 --> 01:22:47,009
It put a middle finger on everything
which is sacred.

1463
01:22:47,009 --> 01:22:48,927
I really enjoyed it.

1464
01:22:48,927 --> 01:22:52,014
The fact that I was able to do
part of something

1465
01:22:52,014 --> 01:22:56,602
who had balls
huge to really go there.

1466
01:22:56,643 --> 01:22:58,061
Without fear.

1467
01:22:58,061 --> 01:23:00,022
Say, this is what I do.

1468
01:23:00,063 --> 01:23:05,652
You know, that's it, Vince Desi,
it’s Postal, it’s Uwe Boll.

1469
01:23:05,694 --> 01:23:07,321
And I was lucky
to be part of it.

1470
01:23:07,321 --> 01:23:08,655
It's not me who
I set up this mess.

1471
01:23:08,697 --> 01:23:11,825
They did it, they are
they who risked everything.

1472
01:23:11,825 --> 01:23:13,452
So yeah, it was an honor.

1473
01:23:13,452 --> 01:23:15,037
It was an honor
to be the Postal Dude.

1474
01:23:19,625 --> 01:23:23,128
Ch:3 "If you're going to be offensive, you
must have a goal. It has none,

1475
01:23:23,128 --> 01:23:26,548
whether as
as satire, commentary,

1476
01:23:26,548 --> 01:23:29,468
video game or comedy."
- Jon Blyth - PC Gamer

1477
01:23:30,052 --> 01:23:33,388
I remember having
received a copy of Postal 3.

1478
01:23:33,430 --> 01:23:34,556
I remember playing it

1479
01:23:34,556 --> 01:23:37,434
and I remember playing it,
and there were a lot of bugs.

1480
01:23:37,434 --> 01:23:40,145
And of course I
reported this to them.

1481
01:23:40,145 --> 01:23:41,897
To be honest, I was disappointed.

1482
01:23:45,359 --> 01:23:48,028
I remember, Vince
was super excited about it.

1483
01:23:48,070 --> 01:23:51,156
I remember him talking to me about it
when they were filming the film Postal

1484
01:23:51,198 --> 01:23:55,953
and he was talking about the team abroad
and his many trips there,

1485
01:23:56,036 --> 01:24:00,123
and they thought it was going to be
a big turning point for the franchise.

1486
01:24:00,165 --> 01:24:03,877
You know, we were going to do this with a view
in the third person, all that.

1487
01:24:03,877 --> 01:24:06,505
And I remember how
they were disappointed

1488
01:24:06,505 --> 01:24:08,173
when Steam removed it from the store

1489
01:24:08,215 --> 01:24:09,842
and that game they got

1490
01:24:09,883 --> 01:24:13,679
was not at all what they had
imagined or what they expected.

1491
01:24:17,349 --> 01:24:18,851
It's really sad

1492
01:24:18,892 --> 01:24:23,272
because I thought that was it
end of the franchise at that time.

1493
01:24:27,025 --> 01:24:30,070
Producer: "Do you like the game? I
think it’s really important for…”

1494
01:24:30,195 --> 01:24:32,906
Postal 3?
Producer: “Yeah, Postal 3.”

1495
01:24:34,449 --> 01:24:37,035
My personal feelings
about Postal 3,

1496
01:24:38,662 --> 01:24:40,831
unfortunately,

1497
01:24:41,582 --> 01:24:43,917
are filled with pain.

1498
01:24:46,253 --> 01:24:50,591
Postal 2 in Russia has
was a huge success.

1499
01:24:50,591 --> 01:24:54,386
It was a bit the equivalent
of GTA in Russia.

1500
01:24:54,595 --> 01:25:00,058
It was a bit of a crazy time for us,
because here, we struggled to sell records

1501
01:25:00,058 --> 01:25:05,022
and there, they were tearing them apart, because
that kids love this kind of stuff.

1502
01:25:09,359 --> 01:25:11,069
And because of that,

1503
01:25:11,111 --> 01:25:14,072
our Russian partners,
a company called Akella,

1504
01:25:14,072 --> 01:25:18,952
came to see us and
said, "Well, let's do Postal 3."

1505
01:25:19,494 --> 01:25:21,288
That sounds like a great idea.

1506
01:25:22,873 --> 01:25:24,833
“Welcome to Akella!”

1507
01:25:24,875 --> 01:25:29,546
"One of the first companies
to develop and publish video games

1508
01:25:29,546 --> 01:25:32,549
and products
multimedia in Russia."

1509
01:25:32,591 --> 01:25:35,302
"Our main activities
are development,

1510
01:25:35,344 --> 01:25:39,097
publication and distribution
of computer programs."

1511
01:25:39,556 --> 01:25:41,391
My name is Andrey Belkin.

1512
01:25:41,433 --> 01:25:44,728
I was a producer
for Postal 3 at Akella.

1513
01:25:52,027 --> 01:25:56,782
Akella was pretty big at the time,
quite well known as a developer

1514
01:25:56,823 --> 01:26:01,745
and local editor for the
Russia and the CIS countries.

1515
01:26:01,745 --> 01:26:03,288
As a developer,

1516
01:26:03,288 --> 01:26:08,919
in fact, it was better known for
work on naval themed games,

1517
01:26:08,919 --> 01:26:11,672
like Sea Dogs or Age of Sail.

1518
01:26:11,713 --> 01:26:17,803
The best known title remains the
first Pirates of the Caribbean.

1519
01:26:22,015 --> 01:26:27,980
The agreement was that Running with
Scissors, was going to design the game.

1520
01:26:28,021 --> 01:26:30,732
Internally, we would
the development of

1521
01:26:30,774 --> 01:26:33,485
characters, we
we would write the script, etc.

1522
01:26:33,527 --> 01:26:39,157
But all the coding and creating
levels, etc., would be made in Russia.

1523
01:26:39,199 --> 01:26:41,243
You know, we have
wrote this design for that

1524
01:26:41,285 --> 01:26:42,911
and we arrived
to this agreement with Akella

1525
01:26:42,953 --> 01:26:45,205
and it was going to be a
huge co-production.

1526
01:26:45,205 --> 01:26:47,082
The budget was
be much higher

1527
01:26:47,124 --> 01:26:49,501
that all we
had put in Postal before.

1528
01:26:49,543 --> 01:26:51,420
There was really going to be a team
big one who was going to work on it.

1529
01:26:51,420 --> 01:26:54,256
They were going to start their own
development studio for that,

1530
01:26:54,256 --> 01:26:56,466
what they did, which
was called Trashmasters.

1531
01:26:56,466 --> 01:27:01,054
The vision or ambition for P3

1532
01:27:01,054 --> 01:27:06,310
was to compete with the GTA universe,
it was really huge, super ambitious.

1533
01:27:06,310 --> 01:27:11,982
This was to cover the
consoles, PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360.

1534
01:27:11,982 --> 01:27:14,359
Create a brand new
chapter in this universe,

1535
01:27:14,359 --> 01:27:16,945
not just an addition to
the existing one, but let us…

1536
01:27:17,029 --> 01:27:18,780
Let's think bigger.

1537
01:27:25,787 --> 01:27:29,583
We had great coordination
and a lot of mutual respect.

1538
01:27:29,583 --> 01:27:35,339
One of our guys went to pass
about two or three months in Moscow.

1539
01:27:35,380 --> 01:27:41,011
He was in the office every day
to help with fine adjustments

1540
01:27:41,053 --> 01:27:44,640
to ensure that the project
started on a good basis

1541
01:27:44,640 --> 01:27:49,102
in terms of maintaining the
heading as we wanted.

1542
01:27:49,102 --> 01:27:50,938
The game began
to take shape quite well.

1543
01:27:50,938 --> 01:27:53,941
You can even find old ones
videos of the first versions of Postal 3

1544
01:27:53,982 --> 01:27:55,359
and it was pretty well done.

1545
01:27:55,400 --> 01:27:58,028
Basically, the Postal Dude did
blow up his town of Paradise

1546
01:27:58,028 --> 01:28:00,072
at the end of Postal 2
Apocalypse Weekend

1547
01:28:00,072 --> 01:28:02,741
and he moved to a
town called Catharsis Arizona.

1548
01:28:02,950 --> 01:28:05,953
This time we venture
in new territories,

1549
01:28:05,953 --> 01:28:08,956
i.e. consoles, and
we will have Xbox 360 and PS3.

1550
01:28:09,039 --> 01:28:11,500
We're all excited, we're having a blast.

1551
01:28:11,542 --> 01:28:12,918
It's well funded.

1552
01:28:12,918 --> 01:28:16,463
People in Russia are
awesome, lots of support.

1553
01:28:23,720 --> 01:28:26,223
I am proud to present
today Postal 3,

1554
01:28:26,265 --> 01:28:28,392
nominated for best console game

1555
01:28:28,433 --> 01:28:30,435
and the best game
action from the living room.

1556
01:28:30,477 --> 01:28:32,980
Postal 3, we promise
to give you and

1557
01:28:33,021 --> 01:28:35,858
to deliver to our fans
everything they expect.

1558
01:28:35,899 --> 01:28:38,861
We present a variety,

1559
01:28:39,111 --> 01:28:41,113
We had Ron Jeremy.

1560
01:28:41,530 --> 01:28:44,199
We had Jennifer Wolcott,
who was a Playboy Playmate.

1561
01:28:44,408 --> 01:28:45,951
“Don’t screw this up!”

1562
01:28:46,034 --> 01:28:49,788
Randy Jones, the original
cowboy from the Village People.

1563
01:28:50,122 --> 01:28:52,457
“Yeah! Look
this city of Catharsis!”

1564
01:28:52,457 --> 01:28:54,543
“So pretty!”

1565
01:28:54,543 --> 01:28:56,086
YMCA

1566
01:28:56,170 --> 01:28:58,213
I mean,
we got it in the game!

1567
01:28:58,213 --> 01:29:02,050
Professionals,
super creativity.

1568
01:29:02,134 --> 01:29:04,428
I mean,
it was great work.

1569
01:29:04,428 --> 01:29:06,972
The creative vision for
the game was super ambitious,

1570
01:29:06,972 --> 01:29:10,726
and therefore the commercial objectives
were also super ambitious.

1571
01:29:10,726 --> 01:29:14,563
They were like, well, we have lots of
developers here, we have plenty of money.

1572
01:29:14,563 --> 01:29:18,817
Everything was fine during the
first ten months or so.

1573
01:29:21,653 --> 01:29:23,614
Television: “Hello, it’s
Vince with Shamwow!”

1574
01:29:23,655 --> 01:29:27,701
“Purchase comes while fear
of a global financial collapse-

1575
01:29:27,743 --> 01:29:31,288
threatens some of the biggest
global financial institutions.”

1576
01:29:31,288 --> 01:29:35,083
“The banks of the United States, Japan
and the European Union have injected…”

1577
01:29:35,125 --> 01:29:40,130
"The Russian economy has clearly been very
hard hit by the global crisis."

1578
01:29:40,172 --> 01:29:42,716
"We need a big plan
recovery. We must save

1579
01:29:42,758 --> 01:29:45,177
jobs, keep
people at home, and all that.”

1580
01:29:52,768 --> 01:29:56,730
And I'm sure you all are
familiar with the falling economy.

1581
01:29:56,980 --> 01:30:00,984
Akella started meeting
financial difficulties,

1582
01:30:01,109 --> 01:30:02,444
it's that simple.

1583
01:30:03,904 --> 01:30:05,906
"My car is
broke down.-

1584
01:30:05,906 --> 01:30:08,951
Unfortunately, due to
global economic collapse."

1585
01:30:08,951 --> 01:30:10,911
"You remember
global economic collapse?

1586
01:30:10,994 --> 01:30:13,747
The Russian economy, which is
completely based on oil,

1587
01:30:14,248 --> 01:30:17,167
took a blow more severe than
most other economies.

1588
01:30:17,251 --> 01:30:19,378
The piracy industry
in Russia is huge.

1589
01:30:19,461 --> 01:30:23,090
I mean, there was
video game stores everywhere

1590
01:30:23,090 --> 01:30:27,803
and you couldn't distinguish the
pirate stores from real stores.

1591
01:30:27,803 --> 01:30:29,888
It was as if you had,
the real pirate store

1592
01:30:29,930 --> 01:30:32,641
and right next to it, a
kind of GameStop.

1593
01:30:32,641 --> 01:30:35,811
It had become very easy
for a struggling economy

1594
01:30:35,853 --> 01:30:40,107
to go from store $3 to $5
at the $1 to $3 store next door.

1595
01:30:40,148 --> 01:30:41,525
All sales have
started to fall

1596
01:30:41,567 --> 01:30:44,570
and publishers began to lose
money at a glance. And so we

1597
01:30:44,611 --> 01:30:49,283
we started having difficulties
simply to finance the game.

1598
01:30:49,283 --> 01:30:53,287
It was exactly around the
end of the pre-production phase.

1599
01:30:53,287 --> 01:30:55,789
Instead of hiring
more people,

1600
01:30:55,789 --> 01:31:00,544
I had to lay off about a third
people in a single day.

1601
01:31:00,586 --> 01:31:02,963
“You’re fired!”

1602
01:31:03,046 --> 01:31:07,509
So now the project has
started to dilute in terms of talent.

1603
01:31:07,551 --> 01:31:10,345
Developers there
were not paid much money.

1604
01:31:10,345 --> 01:31:14,099
I mean, the high salaries
were laughable compared to ours.

1605
01:31:14,141 --> 01:31:17,019
And there were other industries
in Russia who were taking

1606
01:31:17,060 --> 01:31:19,855
very trajectories
different at the time,

1607
01:31:19,938 --> 01:31:22,649
like the banking industry
which was expanding.

1608
01:31:22,691 --> 01:31:25,903
So all these top developers
level that Akella began to lose,

1609
01:31:25,903 --> 01:31:27,779
all programmers
left and then all

1610
01:31:27,779 --> 01:31:29,656
artists have slowly
started to leave.

1611
01:31:29,656 --> 01:31:32,409
And, you know, Akella had
hundreds of employees

1612
01:31:32,409 --> 01:31:34,661
and so they were just doing
replacements as and when

1613
01:31:34,661 --> 01:31:36,788
as people left, they
were displacing someone else.

1614
01:31:36,788 --> 01:31:39,875
At first it was the team
A and it was a high quality team.

1615
01:31:39,875 --> 01:31:41,251
I mean, I don't
can't promise you

1616
01:31:41,251 --> 01:31:43,295
that the game they would have released would have
been amazing,

1617
01:31:43,295 --> 01:31:45,088
but it would have been better
than what came out.

1618
01:31:45,088 --> 01:31:46,465
And the A team
became the B team.

1619
01:31:46,465 --> 01:31:48,842
Everyone has been
replaced little by little.

1620
01:31:49,134 --> 01:31:51,595
"Hello ?" “Is anyone there?”

1621
01:31:51,637 --> 01:31:53,263
“I’m coming for the temporary job.”

1622
01:31:53,305 --> 01:31:55,432
They published the game
and they financed the game,

1623
01:31:55,432 --> 01:32:00,646
so we had to fire our developers
also, because they paid our team.

1624
01:32:00,687 --> 01:32:02,814
The project itself began to be
underfunded

1625
01:32:02,814 --> 01:32:07,069
and this led to
compromise here and there.

1626
01:32:07,069 --> 01:32:11,365
In the end, I think there
had too many compromises.

1627
01:32:11,448 --> 01:32:14,826
Shit ! Now there's no one left
to give me my money. Damn!

1628
01:32:14,826 --> 01:32:17,329
It is probably
time to kill this project.

1629
01:32:17,329 --> 01:32:19,206
And no, they wouldn't
not. I mean, they had

1630
01:32:19,248 --> 01:32:21,124
already invested a few million
dollars at that time.

1631
01:32:21,124 --> 01:32:22,960
What is going on here?

1632
01:32:22,960 --> 01:32:26,672
Like, we're not going
really publish this, right?

1633
01:32:26,713 --> 01:32:28,924
And the answer
is, yes, they will.

1634
01:32:28,966 --> 01:32:31,677
The fact is that they had us…

1635
01:32:31,677 --> 01:32:36,265
had caught us by
the hands of the Russian bear!

1636
01:32:36,306 --> 01:32:38,058
I wouldn't say that they
were ready for the end,

1637
01:32:38,100 --> 01:32:40,060
but they were still very close.

1638
01:32:40,185 --> 01:32:44,022
So I guess I understand
that we don't want to cut our losses

1639
01:32:44,064 --> 01:32:45,691
when your losses
are several million dollars

1640
01:32:45,732 --> 01:32:49,486
and your society sinks
because of the economy, so…

1641
01:32:49,486 --> 01:32:54,950
For me, it is clear that it marked
the beginning of an unfortunate decline

1642
01:32:54,950 --> 01:32:58,370
of Akella who
ended in bankruptcy

1643
01:32:58,412 --> 01:32:59,538
a few years later.

1644
01:32:59,830 --> 01:33:01,832
I don't remember how many
long time it was on pause,

1645
01:33:01,832 --> 01:33:03,834
but it was on break
for a while.

1646
01:33:03,834 --> 01:33:10,257
We were trying to recover it and make
our best to make it happen.

1647
01:33:10,382 --> 01:33:16,180
Because gradually
as the project disintegrated,

1648
01:33:16,221 --> 01:33:19,641
we didn't even see
more development,

1649
01:33:19,683 --> 01:33:23,103
the project, no longer at all.

1650
01:33:23,228 --> 01:33:26,148
We felt a little
shared, like yeah, look,

1651
01:33:26,231 --> 01:33:29,693
it's not going to be the game

1652
01:33:29,693 --> 01:33:32,696
that we imagined
at first, not at all.

1653
01:33:32,738 --> 01:33:34,239
We are going to take criticism,

1654
01:33:34,239 --> 01:33:37,034
but on the other hand it was like,
Oh my God, what a relief!

1655
01:33:37,284 --> 01:33:38,952
Relief!

1656
01:33:38,952 --> 01:33:41,163
The impression, for the moment,
was that we got by.

1657
01:33:41,163 --> 01:33:42,247
Like, finally, it's over.

1658
01:33:42,539 --> 01:33:45,959
You know, I believe that the directive,
it wasn't about making the game good,

1659
01:33:45,959 --> 01:33:49,379
but just that it works. Finish
the game so we can sell it.

1660
01:33:49,671 --> 01:33:51,590
This game sucks.

1661
01:33:57,262 --> 01:34:00,098
We still had to sell the
project. As if we hadn't done it.

1662
01:34:00,098 --> 01:34:02,392
We didn't show up and say:

1663
01:34:02,392 --> 01:34:03,852
"This game sucks, we don't have
nothing to do with that.”

1664
01:34:03,852 --> 01:34:06,647
We said to ourselves, well, they
will release something buggy,

1665
01:34:06,688 --> 01:34:08,524
but they will correct it.
They put a lot of money

1666
01:34:08,565 --> 01:34:10,651
in there. They want to make sure
that this game will hold up.

1667
01:34:10,651 --> 01:34:12,528
So, we packed the game.

1668
01:34:12,528 --> 01:34:14,905
We even created a
physical edition of Postal 3.

1669
01:34:14,905 --> 01:34:18,492
We sold a lot of copies,
but they were totally broken.

1670
01:34:18,534 --> 01:34:21,620
I mean, people bought
the game, and it wouldn't even start.

1671
01:34:21,620 --> 01:34:23,622
That's it, a bug.

1672
01:34:23,956 --> 01:34:25,707
You know, it was almost
become a joke.

1673
01:34:25,707 --> 01:34:27,960
How many people have
really played Postal 3?

1674
01:34:28,043 --> 01:34:31,088
I remember having
copies to distribute, which we did.

1675
01:34:31,088 --> 01:34:35,300
I think if you asked
to Postal fans, how many among

1676
01:34:35,300 --> 01:34:39,513
they actually played it, that
would be interesting, to say the least.

1677
01:34:39,513 --> 01:34:42,099
Akella gave us the records
installation.

1678
01:34:42,307 --> 01:34:44,726
And the first installation disk
that they gave me didn't work at all

1679
01:34:44,768 --> 01:34:47,354
just not. They had to give it to me
a new one, which is normal. It happens.

1680
01:34:47,354 --> 01:34:48,814
Maybe if I
had tested it better

1681
01:34:48,814 --> 01:34:51,817
before sending it to
replicator, that wouldn't have happened.

1682
01:34:51,817 --> 01:34:55,529
But like I said, it was a
one more layer in this shitty sandwich.

1683
01:34:55,571 --> 01:34:59,074
And what's more, the game was broken,
and people told me it was broken,

1684
01:34:59,074 --> 01:35:02,244
and everything I could
to do was to tell them,

1685
01:35:02,244 --> 01:35:04,204
because I didn't have a team
to repair it.

1686
01:35:04,246 --> 01:35:07,124
It's not my game, but
we sell it, it bears our name.

1687
01:35:07,124 --> 01:35:10,460
So, in the end, hatred
falls on us.

1688
01:35:14,214 --> 01:35:15,465
They released a patch.

1689
01:35:15,465 --> 01:35:17,050
A few days
after the release of the game,

1690
01:35:17,050 --> 01:35:19,761
it stopped the game
plant at the first level.

1691
01:35:20,846 --> 01:35:24,016
I remember, I'm going to be
Honestly, I was disappointed. It was almost

1692
01:35:24,057 --> 01:35:27,561
like a series of sketches
Saturday Night Live, in terms of segments

1693
01:35:27,561 --> 01:35:30,731
that we had put together, without there being
a real narrative behind it, and that,

1694
01:35:30,731 --> 01:35:33,942
it was, it is not at all the brand of
makes Running With Scissors games.

1695
01:35:34,359 --> 01:35:37,946
Critics
that we received directly from fans.

1696
01:35:37,946 --> 01:35:40,949
I also believe
that they were absolutely justified.

1697
01:35:40,949 --> 01:35:42,409
“It’s not fun.”

1698
01:35:42,409 --> 01:35:46,079
"I feel like I'm working to play it
and it annoys me that this game is so bad."

1699
01:35:46,079 --> 01:35:49,082
I can't be nice to
This, this thing is a real disaster.

1700
01:35:49,082 --> 01:35:50,417
People didn't like that
or in third person view.

1701
01:35:50,417 --> 01:35:52,085
People didn't like the
artistic style we had chosen.

1702
01:35:52,085 --> 01:35:53,712
People didn't like
not the new voice.

1703
01:35:53,712 --> 01:35:56,632
There was too much emotion,
it wasn't serious enough.

1704
01:35:56,632 --> 01:36:00,135
It was just...it wasn't
Rick, and that's who they were listening to

1705
01:36:00,177 --> 01:36:03,388
for so many years. And
like, that’s just how it is, that’s all.

1706
01:36:03,430 --> 01:36:05,057
Now Corey is the "Dude" instead,

1707
01:36:06,183 --> 01:36:09,561
and it is probably
the positive point of the game.

1708
01:36:09,561 --> 01:36:10,812
He did a great job.

1709
01:36:10,812 --> 01:36:13,857
I'm going to need money if I want
do anything in this town.

1710
01:36:13,857 --> 01:36:16,485
Maybe there is
easy job around here.

1711
01:36:16,944 --> 01:36:21,323
At the first conversation
telephone, he seemed quite convinced

1712
01:36:21,365 --> 01:36:24,326
by the tone of my voice, the approach,

1713
01:36:24,326 --> 01:36:27,955
the ability to transmit
emotions in this way.

1714
01:36:28,413 --> 01:36:31,875
And as a “Dude” character, that
must be something semi badass,

1715
01:36:31,875 --> 01:36:33,669
rebellious, angry.

1716
01:36:33,961 --> 01:36:37,673
Honestly, I don't think I have
was able to do a full review of the game

1717
01:36:37,673 --> 01:36:41,635
because he continued to
crash and I couldn't move forward.

1718
01:36:43,637 --> 01:36:46,598
I can't stand a game that
plant on all sides

1719
01:36:46,598 --> 01:36:49,935
and go tell people,
yeah, it's awesome, go ahead and play it.

1720
01:36:50,519 --> 01:36:53,689
Vince and I had to
figure out what we were going to do.

1721
01:36:53,730 --> 01:36:58,443
And the real answer was that we
had to publicly denounce this project.

1722
01:36:58,610 --> 01:37:04,074
Are we going to dissociate ourselves from Postal 3?

1723
01:37:05,534 --> 01:37:09,204
Yes, we decided that the
best we can do

1724
01:37:09,705 --> 01:37:13,292
it was to remove this cancer

1725
01:37:14,251 --> 01:37:17,337
of our ass.

1726
01:37:18,463 --> 01:37:20,424
It could have killed our brand.

1727
01:37:20,424 --> 01:37:24,136
And it probably would have
done if we had done nothing,

1728
01:37:24,136 --> 01:37:26,221
if we had stayed
there in mode, no, no, no, no, no.

1729
01:37:26,221 --> 01:37:27,723
We understand that there are problems.

1730
01:37:27,723 --> 01:37:29,141
But there was no way to do that.

1731
01:37:29,141 --> 01:37:30,392
Like, there was no one to contact.

1732
01:37:30,434 --> 01:37:34,897
The people we were with
friends for, I don't know, 6 years.

1733
01:37:34,897 --> 01:37:37,441
They were our publisher,
7 years, and they have been great to us.

1734
01:37:38,025 --> 01:37:39,526
They were almost bankrupt.

1735
01:37:41,195 --> 01:37:44,615
Working on Postal 3…

1736
01:37:44,948 --> 01:37:49,161
The experience in his
together is something

1737
01:37:49,536 --> 01:37:51,914
that I wouldn't trade for anything,

1738
01:37:52,247 --> 01:37:54,958
even if everything is not
not gone perfectly.

1739
01:37:55,042 --> 01:37:56,376
It was a great experience.

1740
01:37:56,376 --> 01:37:58,545
I made a lot of good friends.

1741
01:37:58,545 --> 01:38:03,175
Everyone should pray
to have such an experience

1742
01:38:03,550 --> 01:38:09,223
because it gives you an understanding
deep in many things.

1743
01:38:09,515 --> 01:38:12,309
If you're a boss, you want
someone is eating your food.

1744
01:38:12,643 --> 01:38:15,437
If you play a game,
you want to know that people are playing it!

1745
01:38:15,729 --> 01:38:18,440
Well, when you dedicate
two, three years of your life

1746
01:38:19,233 --> 01:38:20,692
and the game doesn't come out...

1747
01:38:20,692 --> 01:38:23,737
Or even worse,
he comes out and he doesn't even get started?!

1748
01:38:24,780 --> 01:38:26,281
And that’s your credit?

1749
01:38:26,907 --> 01:38:27,950
It's horrible.

1750
01:38:28,492 --> 01:38:30,953
Postal 3, thank God it's over.

1751
01:38:30,953 --> 01:38:32,329
But the good news is…

1752
01:38:32,746 --> 01:38:34,790
That paved the way for Postal 4.

1753
01:38:39,878 --> 01:38:41,880
The Final Chapter

1754
01:38:41,880 --> 01:38:44,424
"Desi and company have
unintentionally created a

1755
01:38:44,466 --> 01:38:47,678
mirror for America
which will survive us all.

1756
01:38:47,678 --> 01:38:51,974
Running With Scissors sought to
create provocative schlock, and then,

1757
01:38:51,974 --> 01:38:56,019
the rest of the world did
provocative schlock with reality."

1758
01:38:56,061 --> 01:38:57,980
Brock Wilbur - Bossfight Books

1759
01:39:00,148 --> 01:39:03,652
I think if we look
everything that technology has brought,

1760
01:39:03,652 --> 01:39:08,448
there are incredible things
wonderful, but overall,

1761
01:39:08,490 --> 01:39:12,953
I think technology has
greatly hindered socialization.

1762
01:39:12,953 --> 01:39:15,622
There is a generation of
people who don't really know

1763
01:39:15,664 --> 01:39:18,333
more how to speak in
public, to each other.

1764
01:39:19,126 --> 01:39:21,211
But it's not a question

1765
01:39:21,253 --> 01:39:23,797
what you think
a 60 year old man.

1766
01:39:23,839 --> 01:39:26,008
It's a question
of where things are going.

1767
01:39:26,008 --> 01:39:29,178
With all the holes in the
system. It wouldn't make sense

1768
01:39:29,178 --> 01:39:32,264
to watch Running With
Scissors and say, well, you

1769
01:39:32,264 --> 01:39:36,185
are completely responsible then
that they followed all regulations,

1770
01:39:36,185 --> 01:39:39,021
when they have done everything we have to them
asked to do.

1771
01:39:39,813 --> 01:39:42,566
In the end, whether we like it or not,

1772
01:39:42,858 --> 01:39:45,444
it's the children who will decide
that they are going to play.

1773
01:39:54,286 --> 01:39:59,166
9 years since Postal 3

1774
01:40:08,133 --> 01:40:10,552
So you have photos of my Mike J…

1775
01:40:10,761 --> 01:40:14,348
on ice skates and me
cleaning my pool.

1776
01:40:14,723 --> 01:40:15,933
Producer: “Exactly!”

1777
01:40:43,126 --> 01:40:46,296
Producer: "Would you say that there is
a sort of Postal curse…

1778
01:40:46,296 --> 01:40:51,385
or do you have the impression that there is
sometimes persistent bad energy?"

1779
01:40:51,635 --> 01:40:53,512
I don't believe
too much for curses.

1780
01:40:53,720 --> 01:40:57,224
Seems like it doesn't matter
what we do, no matter where we go,

1781
01:40:57,558 --> 01:41:00,936
there is always something
something that works against us.

1782
01:41:00,936 --> 01:41:05,482
And I don't think there is
an entity that operates on Earth

1783
01:41:05,482 --> 01:41:09,319
and who says to himself, how can we really
screw up Running With Scissors at best?

1784
01:41:10,362 --> 01:41:13,323
There is not much
games that had the involvement of the FBI,

1785
01:41:13,657 --> 01:41:18,871
been prosecuted by the government,
convicted in around ten countries, etc.

1786
01:41:19,162 --> 01:41:23,959
So that sets us apart
probably in some way.

1787
01:41:24,168 --> 01:41:27,588
Sometimes I tell myself
watching a video

1788
01:41:27,629 --> 01:41:30,340
where I'm like, oh, Postal will be
probably in this video.

1789
01:41:30,340 --> 01:41:33,385
Where we talk about games
important in history.

1790
01:41:33,427 --> 01:41:35,053
And then at the end, I
say, it wasn't in there.

1791
01:41:35,137 --> 01:41:36,805
I don't know why
I thought he would be there.

1792
01:41:36,805 --> 01:41:39,725
But then,
you watch a video of the ten worst,

1793
01:41:39,725 --> 01:41:41,185
we are definitely in it.

1794
01:41:41,185 --> 01:41:42,352
Well, it doesn't matter.

1795
01:41:42,352 --> 01:41:45,606
Finally, as I said, I
have no problem

1796
01:41:45,647 --> 01:41:50,444
with the fact that it is
where we are, where we live.

1797
01:41:50,611 --> 01:41:53,280
We're sewer trolls, man, come on.

1798
01:41:59,870 --> 01:42:04,124
Here we are, 25 years old
later with Postal 4.

1799
01:42:04,416 --> 01:42:06,084
Quite, quite fantastic.

1800
01:42:06,084 --> 01:42:08,170
Finally, I'm super proud of that.

1801
01:42:08,170 --> 01:42:12,382
It's pretty amazing when you think about
to all the hardships we went through.

1802
01:42:12,841 --> 01:42:16,553
This was after my NPC series had
really started to gain momentum.

1803
01:42:16,678 --> 01:42:19,806
I decided, you know, maybe
that I should start imitating

1804
01:42:19,848 --> 01:42:22,809
NPCs from different games.
I made a kind of petition.

1805
01:42:22,809 --> 01:42:24,436
“Want to sign my petition?”

1806
01:42:24,436 --> 01:42:28,065
“No way, you dirty leftist!”
When I posted this on Twitter,

1807
01:42:28,106 --> 01:42:31,276
it attracted attention
from Running With Scissors quite quickly.

1808
01:42:31,693 --> 01:42:34,363
They retweeted, they
ended up following me.

1809
01:42:34,613 --> 01:42:37,950
Finally, I spoke
with Mike J himself and I told him, hey,

1810
01:42:38,283 --> 01:42:41,578
I work in industry
game and I'm a 3D artist.

1811
01:42:41,912 --> 01:42:43,539
And he said, show me your portfolio.

1812
01:42:43,539 --> 01:42:45,541
And I showed him, he said… “shit!”

1813
01:42:45,541 --> 01:42:47,292
I pretty much got hired on the spot.

1814
01:42:50,379 --> 01:42:52,506
-Okay,
-You got it!

1815
01:43:01,390 --> 01:43:05,143
Maybe we should
put this on the store website.

1816
01:43:05,686 --> 01:43:08,355
You see, what I have to do,
it's signing that and the disc and the

1817
01:43:08,355 --> 01:43:11,275
blanket because I'm 60,
I am diabetic and asthmatic.

1818
01:43:11,733 --> 01:43:13,318
I could die
anytime now,

1819
01:43:13,318 --> 01:43:16,697
and it's worth three times more
on eBay if I sign all parts.

1820
01:43:17,072 --> 01:43:20,659
One day I received
an email from a guy named Michael.

1821
01:43:21,118 --> 01:43:24,329
He sent me extracts from
original actors and I did a

1822
01:43:24,371 --> 01:43:27,958
sort of imitation of them. And he has
said, no, that's not what we want.

1823
01:43:27,958 --> 01:43:32,087
We're looking for a really scathing voice, and
I replied, well it’s my natural voice.

1824
01:43:32,421 --> 01:43:33,839
I'm super scathing.

1825
01:43:33,964 --> 01:43:35,549
You should just use my normal voice.

1826
01:43:35,632 --> 01:43:38,427
It looks like Champ
found something interesting.

1827
01:43:38,802 --> 01:43:39,970
Yeah, okay.

1828
01:43:40,053 --> 01:43:42,764
And about a day more
late I receive an email from

1829
01:43:42,806 --> 01:43:45,517
Mike saying, oh yeah,
you're scathing. You have the role.

1830
01:43:45,559 --> 01:43:48,353
Damn, field, I thought
that you kept the car

1831
01:43:50,439 --> 01:43:51,481
Normal.

1832
01:43:51,773 --> 01:43:55,360
I remember looking for this because
that I was like, ok, that looks cool.

1833
01:43:55,360 --> 01:43:57,571
But you know, I wanted
just make sure, like,

1834
01:43:57,571 --> 01:44:00,490
if you're going to put your name in
something and be represented in it.

1835
01:44:00,490 --> 01:44:03,660
Is this something that,
you know, matches my image and is,

1836
01:44:04,036 --> 01:44:07,164
not something
problematic or something.

1837
01:44:07,539 --> 01:44:11,919
So, I searched, but the first
article it was like someone who

1838
01:44:11,919 --> 01:44:16,298
took that and said, that's the thing
the most offensive I have ever seen.

1839
01:44:16,298 --> 01:44:19,551
Oh my God ! Like, maybe
That’s not what I want to do?

1840
01:44:19,635 --> 01:44:23,764
But then I dug and thought,
it's so funny. And also so much

1841
01:44:23,764 --> 01:44:27,643
in keeping with my style, I was like,
ok, that definitely seems to be my thing.

1842
01:44:28,227 --> 01:44:30,437
You know, I like
denigrate what we do.

1843
01:44:30,437 --> 01:44:32,731
I don't like pretending
that we have something more

1844
01:44:32,731 --> 01:44:35,400
bigger than what we have, but
it is culturally significant.

1845
01:44:35,567 --> 01:44:38,445
There are plenty of people who know
what it is and I've already said it.

1846
01:44:38,487 --> 01:44:42,866
It's really strange to me when
people know what I do and

1847
01:44:42,866 --> 01:44:47,538
it's weird. It's weird to be, I
I'm going to call it a footnote.

1848
01:44:47,704 --> 01:44:49,957
A footnote
in the history of video games.

1849
01:45:08,100 --> 01:45:09,601
March 2020

1850
01:45:09,768 --> 01:45:13,939
First public presentation of Postal
4 two weeks before confinement

1851
01:45:19,736 --> 01:45:22,906
“Dude, I at least have more
of 300 hours on Postal 2.

1852
01:45:23,198 --> 01:45:26,785
I've been playing for so long
long time and it's just a game that,

1853
01:45:27,035 --> 01:45:30,122
if I'm feeling down and, you know,
I want to blow heads in

1854
01:45:30,163 --> 01:45:33,250
real life." I just go to Postal
2 and blow heads, in the game.

1855
01:45:33,292 --> 01:45:36,253
I'm in Boston for PAX East.

1856
01:45:36,712 --> 01:45:40,549
Great lots of people around us,
thousands of gamers, super fans.

1857
01:45:40,841 --> 01:45:43,218
One of the crazy things about this show

1858
01:45:43,218 --> 01:45:46,430
it’s that we have this thing that happens
spread throughout the world called

1859
01:45:46,430 --> 01:45:49,641
the, uh, coronavirus, and we
is showing Postal 4.

1860
01:45:50,058 --> 01:45:51,894
It looks exactly like Postal.

1861
01:45:51,894 --> 01:45:55,772
It's just that crazy. You
can still piss on people.

1862
01:45:55,772 --> 01:46:00,027
You can set people on fire
and making a mess for no reason.

1863
01:46:00,360 --> 01:46:04,448
It's great. Especially because
that I love Postal 2 so much.

1864
01:46:04,656 --> 01:46:06,783
This game reminds me so much of that.

1865
01:46:07,034 --> 01:46:10,162
I think it will be
great when you're done.

1866
01:46:12,539 --> 01:46:15,542
What happens when Postal 4 comes out?

1867
01:46:15,834 --> 01:46:20,088
And in fact, what does the
success for Running With Scissors?

1868
01:46:20,339 --> 01:46:23,175
Is it Postal 4
who brings in lots of money?

1869
01:46:23,342 --> 01:46:27,095
Is it Postal 4 which
finally gets the criticism that

1870
01:46:27,471 --> 01:46:31,433
Mike and Desi feel like
deserve all these years?

1871
01:46:31,433 --> 01:46:36,563
To have this victory over all
world that gave them zeros

1872
01:46:36,563 --> 01:46:39,233
and some finally by playing a good game?

1873
01:46:39,233 --> 01:46:43,654
Is it right to go out
Postal 4 after releasing Postal 3?

1874
01:46:43,654 --> 01:46:47,115
A game that is so bad that it
has become vaporware now.

1875
01:46:47,115 --> 01:46:50,202
This game is so
bad that it no longer exists.

1876
01:46:53,330 --> 01:46:55,332
I don't think that
Running With Scissors

1877
01:46:55,332 --> 01:46:58,710
will survive thanks to
the controversy.

1878
01:46:58,877 --> 01:47:01,171
I think they will
survive by making awesome games,

1879
01:47:01,255 --> 01:47:05,634
which contrasts somewhat with the
debut where Running with Scissors

1880
01:47:05,634 --> 01:47:07,928
was known almost everywhere
because of the controversy.

1881
01:47:07,970 --> 01:47:11,098
So I think that when
people, not our age, when, when

1882
01:47:11,139 --> 01:47:14,560
they play these games, they play them
because they are great games.

1883
01:47:14,726 --> 01:47:16,895
Reputation
of Running With Scissors was that of a

1884
01:47:16,979 --> 01:47:20,315
independent developer
trying to get his game noticed.

1885
01:47:20,315 --> 01:47:23,694
And one of the ways to do it
to notice is to be extreme.

1886
01:47:23,694 --> 01:47:26,905
And although some of the biggest
editors probably thought

1887
01:47:26,905 --> 01:47:28,740
than Running With Scissors
was a real pain,

1888
01:47:28,824 --> 01:47:31,577
developers and publishers
independents thought they were doing,

1889
01:47:31,785 --> 01:47:33,579
that they tore everything apart
and took names and,

1890
01:47:33,662 --> 01:47:35,956
fought for each
centimeter they could get.

1891
01:47:36,164 --> 01:47:38,917
I liked the side
a bit of a bad boy in the game.

1892
01:47:39,084 --> 01:47:43,755
And it was this thing that
everyone hated it.

1893
01:47:43,755 --> 01:47:45,424
It was so ridiculous and stupid.

1894
01:47:45,424 --> 01:47:48,010
And the humor was funny and immature.

1895
01:47:48,010 --> 01:47:51,180
But in fact, it had a side
liberating in many ways.

1896
01:47:51,180 --> 01:47:56,810
Because it's nice to be able to be
immature and it's fun to be non-PC

1897
01:47:56,852 --> 01:48:00,939
and to really see
how they play with this comedy.

1898
01:48:01,273 --> 01:48:04,776
I would say that it is absolutely
just that Running With Scissors

1899
01:48:04,985 --> 01:48:07,821
has become the emblem of the
video game violence because they have it

1900
01:48:07,821 --> 01:48:10,657
actively sought. They got
exactly what they wanted.

1901
01:48:10,741 --> 01:48:13,577
They wanted to be regressive,

1902
01:48:13,660 --> 01:48:17,372
disturbing and
controversial, and they did it.

1903
01:48:18,040 --> 01:48:21,084
It's a little different. We
were, once again, just in

1904
01:48:21,084 --> 01:48:24,129
renting a room in
someone else's business.

1905
01:48:24,129 --> 01:48:25,964
This time, we are in
a state agency.

1906
01:48:26,173 --> 01:48:27,549
But I fixed it
in the same way.

1907
01:48:27,633 --> 01:48:29,843
So there is no shock
cultural for anyone,

1908
01:48:29,843 --> 01:48:31,887
even if I
I'm the only one who actually works here.

1909
01:48:35,098 --> 01:48:36,975
Glad they
enjoy the game, you know?

1910
01:48:36,975 --> 01:48:42,064
And it's a little strange that so many
of people, be fully in this game.

1911
01:48:42,105 --> 01:48:45,192
But I would just say, you
know, thanks for playing the game.

1912
01:48:45,317 --> 01:48:48,779
I don't think I can
give our fans enough credit.

1913
01:48:48,779 --> 01:48:51,657
I see our fans
as part of our family.

1914
01:48:51,865 --> 01:48:53,700
And it is for
that's what we do.

1915
01:48:53,951 --> 01:48:57,037
The community
from Postal 4 fans is incredible.

1916
01:48:57,037 --> 01:48:59,957
It's different from all the others
fan communities that I have seen.

1917
01:49:00,123 --> 01:49:01,583
These fans are super passionate.

1918
01:49:01,708 --> 01:49:02,960
They are also very honest with us.

1919
01:49:02,960 --> 01:49:04,461
They tell us what they
like, what they don't like.

1920
01:49:04,461 --> 01:49:06,797
We make this game to
us, but also for them.

1921
01:49:06,839 --> 01:49:10,968
Playing Postal helped me get through
difficult times in my life.

1922
01:49:11,093 --> 01:49:12,845
Postal changed my
life for the better.

1923
01:49:12,845 --> 01:49:16,723
Before, I was really shy, introverted
and all that kind of stuff.

1924
01:49:17,057 --> 01:49:20,394
And this game really got me
helped me get out of all this.

1925
01:49:20,602 --> 01:49:24,815
You know, that game you run
when you feel stressed,

1926
01:49:24,815 --> 01:49:27,609
just to relax
little? This is that series for me.

1927
01:49:27,776 --> 01:49:29,778
Good job for not following trends.

1928
01:49:29,903 --> 01:49:34,241
Congratulations for creating a game
unique, which stands out from the others.

1929
01:49:34,241 --> 01:49:36,952
A game that is not afraid
to go against the flow,

1930
01:49:37,119 --> 01:49:40,706
to be controversial, to be
crazy and above all, to be funny.

1931
01:49:40,956 --> 01:49:42,374
Running With Scissors.

1932
01:49:42,624 --> 01:49:46,795
Vince. Mike, thank you for
inspired me so much.

1933
01:49:46,920 --> 01:49:48,463
Thank you very much, Vince.

1934
01:49:48,672 --> 01:49:50,465
Thank you very much, Mike.

1935
01:49:50,716 --> 01:49:52,217
You are awesome.

1936
01:49:52,384 --> 01:49:57,931
You made my childhood
much more exciting, let's say.

1937
01:49:58,098 --> 01:50:01,560
The entire Postal series was a
huge source of inspiration for me.

1938
01:50:01,768 --> 01:50:05,564
I think what they have
built over the years

1939
01:50:05,731 --> 01:50:09,443
is something the world would have
really missed if he didn't have it.

1940
01:50:09,568 --> 01:50:14,740
This is clearly a game made by
marginals, for marginals.

1941
01:50:14,907 --> 01:50:17,075
He will never win a prize.

1942
01:50:17,326 --> 01:50:20,329
And it's very good like that,
because he doesn't need it.

1943
01:50:20,495 --> 01:50:23,498
It's just one of those
games where you throw it,

1944
01:50:23,498 --> 01:50:28,045
you have fun being trash
irreparable in a virtual world,

1945
01:50:28,212 --> 01:50:30,839
and then you can
sleep peacefully, you see?

1946
01:50:31,048 --> 01:50:35,928
Postal is one of my garms
favorites from my childhood.

1947
01:50:36,261 --> 01:50:42,267
And my brain exploded
the first time I played it.

1948
01:50:43,227 --> 01:50:46,146
Regarding the impact
from Postal on my life…

1949
01:50:46,146 --> 01:50:48,106
He helped me through
really difficult times,

1950
01:50:48,106 --> 01:50:50,984
when I needed to let go,

1951
01:50:50,984 --> 01:50:54,613
when I needed to laugh,
when I just wanted to have fun

1952
01:50:54,696 --> 01:50:58,951
and forget my problems, if only
only for an evening or a day.

1953
01:50:58,951 --> 01:51:00,244
It is one of
most important games

1954
01:51:00,244 --> 01:51:04,665
that I didn't want, but
which I didn't know I needed.

1955
01:51:05,582 --> 01:51:08,627
And now we have become
an important part of people's lives.

1956
01:51:08,961 --> 01:51:12,965
The fans are
the Running With Scissors family.

1957
01:51:13,215 --> 01:51:16,468
I can't even put
that in words, explain what it means

1958
01:51:16,468 --> 01:51:20,347
or what it feels like… apart from saying
It's just fucking awesome.

1959
01:51:21,765 --> 01:51:27,771
If there is a moral to remember from
the story of Running With Scissors,

1960
01:51:27,771 --> 01:51:29,231
it’s because they survived everything.

1961
01:51:29,523 --> 01:51:31,567
Postal 4 is coming.

1962
01:51:31,733 --> 01:51:33,610
It's a victory.

1963
01:51:33,652 --> 01:51:37,406
I saw these guys when they were struggling
to keep the lights on,

1964
01:51:37,406 --> 01:51:42,911
and they responded individually to
fans, year after year, to compensate

1965
01:51:42,911 --> 01:51:48,417
a game they didn't even make, Postal
3, by remaining attentive to the players.

1966
01:51:48,750 --> 01:51:51,837
And frankly, I
find it really admirable.

1967
01:51:51,837 --> 01:51:54,882
And it's probably the only one
why they are still there.

1968
01:51:54,882 --> 01:51:59,469
They built a community just by
being normal guys to everyone.

1969
01:51:59,678 --> 01:52:04,641
They are accessible, authentic,
and they really care about people.

1970
01:52:04,641 --> 01:52:07,311
You don't find that anymore in
this industry today.

1971
01:52:07,477 --> 01:52:09,563
I arrived in the industry
as a big gamer.

1972
01:52:09,563 --> 01:52:13,817
I hadn't planned
to make it my lifelong career.

1973
01:52:14,151 --> 01:52:16,361
I was a seller of
phones, that's it.

1974
01:52:16,361 --> 01:52:20,490
I met Vince in high school because
that I was friends with one of his friends.

1975
01:52:20,490 --> 01:52:23,160
And when he offered me to work with
him, I said “yeah!”

1976
01:52:23,368 --> 01:52:25,871
I told myself it would be
a few fun years traveling,

1977
01:52:25,871 --> 01:52:27,080
to promote a video game…

1978
01:52:27,122 --> 01:52:28,707
and now,
it became my life.

1979
01:52:30,501 --> 01:52:34,421
Clearly, the personality of
Mike always shined through.

1980
01:52:34,421 --> 01:52:35,672
And Vince's too.

1981
01:52:35,672 --> 01:52:40,010
These guys are like
South Park characters in real life.

1982
01:52:40,385 --> 01:52:43,555
This is what gave
life at Postal Dude.

1983
01:52:43,597 --> 01:52:47,100
They are both
so sarcastic.

1984
01:52:47,309 --> 01:52:50,395
And transcribe that into a
game, put your personality into it,

1985
01:52:50,521 --> 01:52:52,856
it's a really rare thing,
no matter the field.

1986
01:52:52,981 --> 01:52:56,443
But in Postal, that
works perfectly.

1987
01:52:57,069 --> 01:53:01,240
It's really easy to watch Postal
and the guys behind it all,

1988
01:53:01,365 --> 01:53:05,118
to see all the times they
gathered in beauty

1989
01:53:05,118 --> 01:53:07,746
over the years and
laugh out loud.

1990
01:53:07,955 --> 01:53:10,457
Or to point fingers, to judge,
or even just to ask yourself:

1991
01:53:10,457 --> 01:53:13,043
"But what are they
were they trying to do exactly?

1992
01:53:13,085 --> 01:53:15,462
It's rubbish! It doesn't sound right."

1993
01:53:15,462 --> 01:53:16,964
“Their intention is evil.”

1994
01:53:16,964 --> 01:53:19,424
So, by extension,
maybe they are bad people.

1995
01:53:19,591 --> 01:53:23,387
But I think
that the story of Running With Scissors,

1996
01:53:23,595 --> 01:53:27,432
it's just guys who
try to do their best,

1997
01:53:27,474 --> 01:53:32,354
and their dream is to do something
something that makes people happy.

1998
01:53:32,855 --> 01:53:38,986
And they continue no matter how much
sometimes they screw up. Again and again.

1999
01:53:39,278 --> 01:53:42,072
I don't know
no one else has this tenacity.

2000
01:53:42,281 --> 01:53:44,533
They come back
always at the table.

2001
01:53:44,533 --> 01:53:48,537
They try again and
again with the same license.

2002
01:53:48,537 --> 01:53:51,331
They are literally
the definition of madness.

2003
01:53:51,373 --> 01:53:55,169
And there is something
incredibly beautiful in there.

2004
01:53:55,210 --> 01:53:59,089
No other studio
was as ruined as them...

2005
01:53:59,089 --> 01:54:02,593
like Running With Scissors,
and they keep coming back

2006
01:54:02,593 --> 01:54:04,511
saying, “Let’s do more Postal.”

2007
01:54:04,511 --> 01:54:07,222
And I wish there was
more people like them.

2008
01:54:07,639 --> 01:54:11,768
Also cracked… or simply
happy with what they do,

2009
01:54:11,935 --> 01:54:15,355
or kind enough to
to be supported by so many people.

2010
01:54:15,355 --> 01:54:18,150
It's strange to say that
the world would be better

2011
01:54:18,150 --> 01:54:20,694
if there were more people
like Vince and Mike.

2012
01:54:21,111 --> 01:54:24,489
But it's true, and the games
video would be better off.

2013
01:54:28,118 --> 01:54:29,578
It's great to see this happening.

2014
01:54:29,745 --> 01:54:32,664
I'm glad we're still
here to do this stupid shit

2015
01:54:32,789 --> 01:54:34,416
that make people laugh, so...

2016
01:54:42,174 --> 01:54:44,301
Final thoughts…

2017
01:54:45,552 --> 01:54:48,555
like last wishes.

2018
01:54:49,723 --> 01:54:51,350
For me, it's very simple.

2019
01:54:51,558 --> 01:54:52,851
Have fun.

2020
01:54:53,227 --> 01:54:54,728
Enjoy life.

2021
01:54:55,020 --> 01:54:57,064
Love your family and friends.

2022
01:54:57,648 --> 01:54:59,358
Play Postal.

2023
01:54:59,483 --> 01:55:00,984
Treat yourself.

2024
01:55:01,610 --> 01:55:02,903
And don't regret anything.

2025
01:55:23,215 --> 01:55:29,847
After almost 3 years in access
anticipated, Postal 4 is finally released

2026
01:55:37,271 --> 01:55:39,815
Steven Kent still pleads
in favor of discussion

2027
01:55:39,815 --> 01:55:42,067
on video games
violent in the industry.

2028
01:55:50,450 --> 01:55:53,412
Although most studies
linking violence

2029
01:55:53,453 --> 01:55:56,415
in video games and aggression
in real life are biased…

2030
01:55:56,415 --> 01:55:59,293
There is a consensus that
violence in video games can

2031
01:55:59,293 --> 01:56:02,087
provide an opportunity to discuss
consequences of violent acts.

2032
01:56:03,881 --> 01:56:08,135
Robert Coffee always compares
Postal 2 to syphilis.

2033
01:56:13,724 --> 01:56:17,269
Zack Ward returned
as Postal Dude

2034
01:56:17,269 --> 01:56:21,106
by lending his voice to a
alternate character in Postal 4.

2035
01:56:23,609 --> 01:56:25,485
When leaving
Postal in 1997, the industry

2036
01:56:25,527 --> 01:56:27,321
video game was worth
30 billion dollars.

2037
01:56:27,321 --> 01:56:31,074
It is now estimated at
more than 250 billion dollars

2038
01:56:36,413 --> 01:56:39,583
After a 7 year break Rick
Hunter made his return in Postal 4

2039
01:56:42,336 --> 01:56:44,296
In 2013 and 2024 Uwe
Boll attempted to finance a

2040
01:56:44,296 --> 01:56:46,256
sequel to the film Postal by
through crowdfunding,

2041
01:56:46,340 --> 01:56:50,677
both campaigns did not reach
their objectives and were canceled.

2042
01:56:54,056 --> 01:56:58,769
In January 2024 Postal 3 was put back on
Steam with major improvements

2043
01:57:00,270 --> 01:57:04,650
Kim Brysselbout dirige l'organisation
'Parents of Murdered Children',

2044
01:57:04,650 --> 01:57:07,986
animating hundreds of
réunions pour les parents en deuil

2045
01:57:10,656 --> 01:57:12,616
Since the beginning of the
production en octobre 2019, il y a

2046
01:57:12,616 --> 01:57:14,576
eu plus de 350 fusillades
dans des écoles aux États-Unis,

2047
01:57:14,576 --> 01:57:16,954
et le nombre continue d'augmenter..

2048
01:57:17,120 --> 01:57:20,415
Malgré les controverses avec les médias,
les critiques et les gouvernements,

2049
01:57:20,457 --> 01:57:22,334
the Postal series has sold
more than 10 million

2050
01:57:22,334 --> 01:57:23,961
d'exemplaires dans le monde entier.

2051
01:57:27,965 --> 01:57:32,553
Postal 4 détient le score
Metacritic for the worst game of 2022

2052
01:57:32,928 --> 01:57:35,389
However, thousands of fans
still rated it as

2053
01:57:35,430 --> 01:57:38,267
‘rather positive’ on Steam, the most
large video game platform

2054
01:57:40,269 --> 01:57:42,980
Going Postal The Foretold Legacy